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Old 03-10-2013, 04:49 PM  
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Installing a passenger side mirror?

some dipshit kicked/punched my side mirror off and I had to go to ebay to buy a replacement...

I am not savvy enough (I'm a dipshit) to install it myself and I am getting a little bit of work done tomorrow at an auto shop and I'm going to bring the mirror with me and ask them to install it for me...

how much should I be expecting them to charge me for that labor since I have already bought the part?
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:35 PM   #451
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You won't get better work from Jason, that's guaranteed, but what you seem to have misunderstood, or not even read, is the fact that I ran the small time shop business, I opened two of them. I know how the entirety of the industry works, and if not for my stealership offer, or my partner getting his stealership offer, I'd still be in business at that location, instead of calverts.

What I don't understand, is how you can devalue Education and Certification.

Imagine 75 Jasons, 5 times smarter than he is now, instructing me on how everything in the automotive industry works, now apply that for around 6 years of schooling and training.


Now understand that Jason doesn't have that education or training.

That's the difference between he and I, and in all honesty, I'll have the better price, better product, and better customer service BECAUSE of my education and training.

"old time" folks like yourself might remember a term long forgotten.

"Paying your dues".

I've paid mine, and then some.

Don't jump on my case because I took a job at a stealership, my work isn't dishonest, just as my work in my own shop wasn't dishonest before that.
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:36 PM   #453
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You are full of yourself.

Do you think you are the only one who knows how to add horsepower to a car and do it properly? Or how an ICE works?

I never held myself out as an expert nor was I looking for your attempted tutoring. I know my way around a car. Your lecture wasn't needed. I know how power is generated and what modifying different components actually does to generate horsepower.

The fact that you feel you need to lecture me about something which I already have a decent amount of knowledge is telling. Am I as versed with the intricacies of tuning as you? No. Do I know enough to not need to go to a know it all stealership mechanic and get raped on labor rate and "book time"? Yes.

Really? That's not how it worked in the other thread, you made comments, I corrected you, then you went on to state that you likely don't know as much about performance and modifications as I do.

I definitely am full of myself, because I've spent YEARS in school for that exact reason.

Engine performance was my first automotive class, and my first ASE section.

I drive a modded Mustang GT and a modded 4x4 ranger, I'm a car guy.

So when I see you saying stuff that isn't exactly right, I'll correct it, much like I did with Jason in another thread.

You can't fault me for you being wrong, dude.
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And you'd be wrong, the absolute best mechanics out there, don't actually do mechanic work anymore, most of them have moved on to become educators. The real superb mechanics are elite professionals in most racing industries, or move up the stealership foodchain to "consultant" levels, which is likely my next step.

You don't need your doctorate to do an oil change, but with the growing degree of technology in cars these days, pretty soon you'll need a bachelors to do an overhaul.

At least, you'll probably need a bachelors to get hired in the first place.

That's just how the industry works. Do you think I'd have the position I have right now if I were just a high school graduate like Jason over there?

Not a snowballs chance in hell kid.
you need a bachelors to change a side mirror eh?

Might as well get that masters...

I can only imagine the hiring manager at Jiffy Lube looking at an actual resume and seeing 'Masters' degree on the thing...

I'm sure the conversation at the local Jiffy Lube with the new guy and his masters degree with old 30 year old vet Zed would be quite stimulating.

you're a ****ing dipshit...my maintenance guy is dumber than a box of ****ing rocks but knows everything there is to know about cars and fixing cars...

pretty sure he doesn't have his masters degree but I could be wrong
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So Exoter has a Bachelor's and he's an auto technician. Cool story. Would read again.
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I never implied anything...

as someone not familiar with pricing and the mechanic world...I made this thread to inquire on whether or not I should ask for a "favor" at one of these places...

I never, one time, said anything along the lines of "they better do it for $20 or they are stupid!!!"

I asked if that would be an offensive offer...I was told yes. And then I immediately said "cool, glad I asked."

and then you turned this thread into life lessons about an industry that fascinates me not

I could care less about cars...if mine works, cool. If not, not cool. If I go to a place and feel like they are ripping me off, I leave. If not, I pay. The end. Yay.

but thanks for your 200,000,000,582 character ongoing life lesson you've provided to all in this thread about how savvy you are at ripping people off

The hell you did, you didn't make this thread and say "Hey guys, is 20 bucks too much or not enough to have my mechanic fix my mirror""

You said, "if it costs more than 20 bucks I'll have my friend do it for free" on top of ranting about prices and literally crying like a stuck pig about how unfair it was that you couldn't get it done at a reasonable price with your car already in the shop.

And then boasting about how you wouldn't pay more for the fix, despite the car being free and that you didn't give a **** about it, and would rather be more of a liability on the road, than fork out 15 extra dollars on top of the 20, to get it fixed, assuming your mechanic would have given you a 50% discount on labor rate for the car already being there.

You literally bitched and moaned before I even made my first post.
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The automotive industry isn't a new industry nor do you have to work in the automotive industry to understand it.
Actually, it is one of the newest industries on the planet, is one of the most ever changing industries on the planet, and without being in the industry, i doubt you even under stand 1/5th of what is going on.

But sure, we'll take your statement because it totally makes sense.
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You won't get better work from Jason, that's guaranteed, but what you seem to have misunderstood, or not even read, is the fact that I ran the small time shop business, I opened two of them. I know how the entirety of the industry works, and if not for my stealership offer, or my partner getting his stealership offer, I'd still be in business at that location, instead of calverts.

What I don't understand, is how you can devalue Education and Certification.

Imagine 75 Jasons, 5 times smarter than he is now, instructing me on how everything in the automotive industry works, now apply that for around 6 years of schooling and training.


Now understand that Jason doesn't have that education or training.

That's the difference between he and I, and in all honesty, I'll have the better price, better product, and better customer service BECAUSE of my education and training.

"old time" folks like yourself might remember a term long forgotten.

"Paying your dues".

I've paid mine, and then some.

Don't jump on my case because I took a job at a stealership, my work isn't dishonest, just as my work in my own shop wasn't dishonest before that.
OK. All that.

Jason would get my business cause he isnt a certified highly decorated jackass. Paying your dues does not imply I have to pay for the dues you paid. Your education and certificates quite honestly mean zero as it relates to customer service. You won't have a better price. And your work can be no better than equal. A spark piug installed by you is no better installed than one by me, Jason or the OP.

There is a difference between a competent mechanic and an incompetent mechanic. However the final product when comparing two competent mechanics is the same. Its a generic. The difference is how we get there and what we pay for the trip.

I have no said you are dishonest at all. I think you are quite the opposite. You have been very honest. You can charge a high shop rate because you are in a city dealership. In more rural areas the market wont tolerate your rates. You use book hours that you inflate. Thats cool, thats how the latte machines and the uniform service gets paid to clean your shirt. You have top flight techs that get bonused for beating the book time making you even more.

My observation is that you have a compulsive need to denigrate the ability, competence and customer service delivered by the guy in the independent shop in Nevada or Clinton, or wherever or the guy in the dealership in Butler or Garden City Kansas cause they are small town rubes.
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you need a bachelors to change a side mirror eh?

Might as well get that masters...

I can only imagine the hiring manager at Jiffy Lube looking at an actual resume and seeing 'Masters' degree on the thing...

I'm sure the conversation at the local Jiffy Lube with the new guy and his masters degree with old 30 year old vet Zed would be quite stimulating.

you're a ****ing dipshit...my maintenance guy is dumber than a box of ****ing rocks but knows everything there is to know about cars and fixing cars...

pretty sure he doesn't have his masters degree but I could be wrong
Why don't you have your maintenance guy do it for 20 bucks then? ****.

I also didn't say that you have to have your bachelors degree, I said here before long you'll have to have it just to get hired on somewhere, that's the state of the global economy, unless you haven't noticed.

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So Exoter has a Bachelor's and he's an auto technician. Cool story. Would read again.


Working on my Masters so I can go work with grandpa Sauto out in booneville.

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I could probably get a bidding war with the corner Mexicans and get it done in 10 minutes for $5 and a key bump
Get it done slacker! This thread has gone like 24 hours and your shit still isn't fixed? You keep talking about mexicans working fast but you still have a busted mirror.
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no I didn't...

I was told it was a 5 minute job...I was hoping $20 would do the trick. I went in today and didn't even bother. Wasn't worth it to me. I made this thread to make sure I wouldn't offend anyone by submitting such an offer...this thread told me it wasn't even worth the attempt.

Go read the first 50 posts of this thread and PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE quote the post in question. PLEASE, IT SHOULD BE EASY. JUST DO IT.

and when I went to the Dallas, TX Audi dealership to spend $1500 on something to get my car fixed...I can assure you I didn't see a bunch of fancy degrees on the wall...and I didn't think to myself "oh shit, there are no degrees on the wall! These guys are going to **** up my car!"

I did think, "yeah, I'm going to get ****ed here...this is the god damn dealership."

but my dad kept such good care of this car and he told me to get the oil changed at Audi, to not be a cheap asshole and put premium gas in the car, and to get all of the work done at the actual dealership so I listened to him.

I, however, felt as if I didn't need to go spend $500 at the dealership to get a new mirror...you know, since it's the passenger side mirror and it isn't illegal in Illinois to drive without one....

after the hail damage ruined the appeal of the car to me (it was a ****ing nice car before it got hailed on)...I no longer feel the need for it to be a fancy, luxury car and that's why I researched around and bought my own mirror that cost 1/3 of the money it would have when I got a quote from Audi.
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Exoter...I expect your next post to have a quote in it that backs up this ludicrous statement:

"You said, "if it costs more than 20 bucks I'll have my friend do it for free" on top of ranting about prices and literally crying like a stuck pig about how unfair it was that you couldn't get it done at a reasonable price with your car already in the shop."
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OK. All that.

Jason would get my business cause he isnt a certified highly decorated jackass. Paying your dues does not imply I have to pay for the dues you paid. Your education and certificates quite honestly mean zero as it relates to customer service. You won't have a better price. And your work can be no better than equal. A spark piug installed by you is no better installed than one by me, Jason or the OP.

There is a difference between a competent mechanic and an incompetent mechanic. However the final product when comparing two competent mechanics is the same. Its a generic. The difference is how we get there and what we pay for the trip.

I have no said you are dishonest at all. I think you are quite the opposite. You have been very honest. You can charge a high shop rate because you are in a city dealership. In more rural areas the market wont tolerate your rates. You use book hours that you inflate. Thats cool, thats how the latte machines and the uniform service gets paid to clean your shirt. You have top flight techs that get bonused for beating the book time making you even more.

My observation is that you have a compulsive need to denigrate the ability, competence and customer service delivered by the guy in the independent shop in Nevada or Clinton, or wherever or the guy in the dealership in Butler or Garden City Kansas cause they are small town rubes.
There are two parts to your post that are wrong.

1. That is exactly what you pay for, me having paid my dues. Do people go to an expensive Salon because they want to throw away money? Or do you think they want THE BEST haircut possible, regardless of the fact that it can be done as well at great clips.

Chances are, that stylist went to a very expensive school and was an understudy for some very popular and important artists before they got their job, and yes, they went to school for it and paid. So now they're taking in the dough for the dues they paid.

That same stylist at Walmart probably graduated from a 60 day or 90 day "beautician course" and earned their right to cut hair, not the same education, but that stylist wouldn't have a shot at working for the expensive salon, just as the stylist at the expensive salon wouldn't work at great clips unless they absolutely had to. Same applies here.

Same applies to the practices of law, practices of banking and trading.

2. You think I am against small business, yet I am just the opposite, I'm all for small business. One can argue that I'm actually detracting from my current employer, driving customers away to smaller businesses because it'll cost less to have the same work done.

I am all for the small businessman, I've created two small businesses already, and I hope to start the paperwork on my third very soon. I support small business in a way you might never understand because you aren't up to date on my day to day doings like some others might be, but trust me, I've done as much as I could possible due to add to the small business community, including an AMA on reddit, as well as hundreds of long, thoughtful posts on the entrepreneur section on thoughts and suggestions for people to run their business, or run it better.

I'm probably small business' #1 supporter on this website, I just have disdain for Jason because he attacked me first and hasn't let up because he's a ****tard and according to him I'm an "over-educated knowitall", as if you could ever be over-educated in life.
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