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Old 03-10-2013, 04:49 PM  
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Installing a passenger side mirror?

some dipshit kicked/punched my side mirror off and I had to go to ebay to buy a replacement...

I am not savvy enough (I'm a dipshit) to install it myself and I am getting a little bit of work done tomorrow at an auto shop and I'm going to bring the mirror with me and ask them to install it for me...

how much should I be expecting them to charge me for that labor since I have already bought the part?
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:18 PM   #106
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and exoter...

I'm not the type of person to ever go into a place of business and make any demands. I may go get an estimate, and if I feel like it is too much, I don't barter. I thank them and move along...

I work in the hotel industry now and I ****ing hate people who call me and barter their rates...it happens every ****ing day and drives me crazy.

So I am not a hypocrite. Someone quotes me...I either pay it or I don't...but I don't make demands and I don't say 'how about this amount instead?' I'm not that type of person even if I wanted to be...I would find it to be awkward.
No, you'll post here on your personal blog about it before you even get a chance to barter, you'll have already set your rate because you don't know better, and then yell at those who seek to enlighten you so you don't make the same mistakes.

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You don't get it, and never will.



Good luck. You know that you are the equivalent of the guy expecting to get a free or discounted beer even though he never tips and/or rarely comes into the bar.

"But the beer only cost you $.75! Why do you charge $3!"


Or better yet, you are the guy that tries to sneak his own beer in.



Reality is a bitch. You could have replaced the mirror yourself instead of wasting time complaining about it here.
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so I'm getting some basic electrical work done on my car today and they said since it is an Audi it'll take about an hour and cost around $120...

if this was your shop and your quote how much additional would you charge me to install my own side mirror on a car that I was told the job is VERY simple and not time consuming?

I'm honestly JUST curious.
However much the labor hour is on the repair, simple as that. If you are a buddy or repeat customer, probably free. That's how the business works. If you are some Joe Schmoe off the street, labor hour is what you get. If I NEED your business badly, I'll probably knock 20-40% off the labor hour. But you rarely see that unless it is a mom and pop shop.

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Hopefully you've never bought food from a street vendor. You can't be sure that the hotdogs are cooked properly. It's a very complicated and expensive processes. If the cart explodes and kills your entire family, they probably won't even give you a free brownie weigh a scoop of ice cream on top.
Street Vendors in most places are required by law to hold some kind of coverage, in this case though, there are many coverages they don't have to keep. In the case that they aren't filed as an LLC/LLP, I'll be suing them directly, if they were an LLC/LLP I'll be suing the business. However, since they are a street vendor, they don't have a landlord and thus don't cover liability for accidental mishaps in an environment, that is going to be done on a strictly "as is" basis.

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in my shop?


probably right around 20 bucks. LOL. seriously.

especially if you were a repeat customer.

its a really easy job on most rigs. just gotta hold your mouth right
And your labor hour is like what? 50-60 bucks because you are in BFE right?

Sounds basically spot on to what I said a few quotes ago.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:18 PM   #107
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I wouldn't offer up an actual number. I'd just ask them how much they would charge since they're already working on your car. If you don't like the quote....obviously don't do it.
damn, that seems pretty ****in simple...
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:18 PM   #108
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You don't get it, and it is exceptionally hard to drive the point through your head, despite the fact that I've gotten much praise in PMs and Rep for my "14,000 character posts".

The point I'm trying to drive home to you is simply this.

-You clearly do not understand how a business works, how it operates, the costs associated with US bringing the Services to YOU, and extending that coverage in the case that something bad and unforeseen happens.

You sit here and bitch about not spending more than 20 dollars to get it fixed because the car is worth nothing to you, but that isn't how a mechanic or shop owner sees it. Just because you don't have pride of ownership in your stuff, doesn't mean that we don't have pride in our work.

Even if a car is worth 1 dollar, it doesn't devalue my services offered to you, that is your choice to get it fixed, but you should NEVER assume or suspect that the cost of repair would be cheap because it is a cheap car, and that is exactly what you've done here.

You commented on the fact that you'd rather toss 20 bucks to a mexican to have them fix your car, than to have your mechanic do it, if it isn't less than 20 dollars.

All I did is explain to you how business works from inside the business all the way to the customer.

The problem here is either your skull is too thick, or you really are just too stupid in the world of business to understand what I've told you.

Not my problem.

I will admit though, I used you as a soapbox to hopefully explain to others how the business works so people like you don't make the same foolish mistakes.



Read that again Sauto, I didn't speak about raising the labor hour because I wouldn't make profit, in fact it was the inverse, that I wouldn't be lowering the labor hour because I couldn't make profit on it.

Disregard the unethical bit, it is strictly unlawful to do so in a place of business.
Get the **** over yourself. He's not bitching about how much it costs. He's just saying that it isn't worth $100+ to have a mechanic snap on a mirror when he can do it himself, have a friend do it, or pay a laborer $20.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:18 PM   #109
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my roommate is a big car guy and he told me to go in there and ask them if they could do it for $20 since I already had the part and since it was such an easy thing to do...

as a person who doesn't like to make an asshole out of myself (sober at least), I made this thread to solicit opinions on whether or not this "hey by the way, I have this mirror and was wondering if I could get you to change it for like $20" would be an offensive offer and apparently not only is it offensive...but it warranted 35 life lessons.
i understood the question right off.

it will never hurt to ask. all they can do is do the job or say no and laugh at you when you leave.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:19 PM   #110
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why would you raise the labor rate 10-20% then?
Re-read again, I wouldn't be raising my labor rate by 10-20% on a job per job basis as you imply.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:21 PM   #111
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you explained shit to me that I didn't ask to be explained...I understand 100% of what you said. I understood it the first time.

At no point did I not understand it. I GET IT.

my ****ing God

TO ME, THE GUY WITHOUT THE ****ING MIRROR, THE FIX IS WORTH $20. IF NO ONE IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD WOULD FIX IT FOR $20 AND I COULDN'T FIX IT MYSELF...I JUST WOULDN'T FIX IT.

Did anyone read that 'best one line of advice' you ever got thread?

one guy's dad said to him when he was bragging about how much his comic collection was worth "it's only worth as much as someone will pay for it."

well in this case, I'm that someone...

and for someone who doesn't give a shit about this car and ALREADY HAS THE ****ING PART...it is worth $20 god damn dollars to me...if that isn't worth it to said business, then that's fine with me and I hold no ill will and totally understand.

if that $20 is worth it to a Mexican then ****ing score one for me!

PRETTY SURE I DON'T NEED A WARRANTY, LIABILITY, INSURANCE, OR A LAWYER FOR SOMEONE TO INSTALL A ****ING MIRROR THAT I ALREADY OWN AND HAVE PAID FOR...

and if it isn't worth $20 for 5 minutes of someone's time then I understand. I do. I totally get it. That's why I made the thread. I wanted to know if 'big business' auto shops would consider doing something THIS EASY for the $20 I was willing to pay for something that was offered to me free of charge.

THAT WAS ****ING IT. THE END.

EXOTER YOUR POST COULD HAVE BEEN:

HEY PEYTON'S PRINCESS, I OWN A SHOP. NO ****ING WAY WOULD WE DO THIS. DON'T EVEN ASK.

and that would have been WAY MORE INFORMATIVE TO ME then the 210,000 character life lesson you decided to give to me
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:21 PM   #112
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I don't blame you for going cheap, Hootie. It's a mirror on an old car. Just have your buddy do it and drink a beer with him afterward.


Some jobs need to be done by a rock-solid business that charges full rates. A mirror is not one of them.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:22 PM   #113
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I wouldn't offer up an actual number. I'd just ask them how much they would charge since they're already working on your car. If you don't like the quote....obviously don't do it.
I probably will do this today...

I'll be like "hey, sup bros! Notice my jacked up mirror? Well I brought the new one along and was wondering how much it would cost for you guys to snap that on for me?"

that's not a bad idea
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:23 PM   #114
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I wouldn't offer up an actual number. I'd just ask them how much they would charge since they're already working on your car. If you don't like the quote....obviously don't do it.
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see here is where you said you would RAISE the labor rate by 10 - 20 %


that IMO is unethical. Book times are there for a reason.

it doesnt matter what your building and employees cost you. not making money? do better work.

You mistunderstood the quote.

What I'm saying here is that there is labor hour, and then there is MY labor hour. If you have Mitchell or Alldata, you've probably noticed that you can mark up your labor hour.

As in, if Alldata says 2.0 hours base to fix it, in the settings this can be marked up by a percentage, so when it quotes it, it'll be 2.4 hours, instead of 2.0.

Now, I don't mean for you to read this as a person to person basis or job to job basis.

What I mean by this is when I opened business, I set my markup ahead of time.

I'm trying to give this kid an idea of what it actually takes to work on his car, what its going to cost him, and WHY it costs him that much.

In the interest of full transparency, I'm letting him know exactly how the business works so he doesn't get any misunderstandings.

Sorry that it came off that way to you, but I'm writing a ton of replies in two threads right now lol.
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you explained shit to me that I didn't ask to be explained...I understand 100% of what you said. I understood it the first time.

At no point did I not understand it. I GET IT.

my ****ing God

TO ME, THE GUY WITHOUT THE ****ING MIRROR, THE FIX IS WORTH $20. IF NO ONE IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD WOULD FIX IT FOR $20 AND I COULDN'T FIX IT MYSELF...I JUST WOULDN'T FIX IT.

Did anyone read that 'best one line of advice' you ever got thread?

one guy's dad said to him when he was bragging about how much his comic collection was worth "it's only worth as much as someone will pay for it."


well in this case, I'm that someone...

and for someone who doesn't give a shit about this car and ALREADY HAS THE ****ING PART...it is worth $20 god damn dollars to me...if that isn't worth it to said business, then that's fine with me and I hold no ill will and totally understand.

if that $20 is worth it to a Mexican then ****ing score one for me!

PRETTY SURE I DON'T NEED A WARRANTY, LIABILITY, INSURANCE, OR A LAWYER FOR SOMEONE TO INSTALL A ****ING MIRROR THAT I ALREADY OWN AND HAVE PAID FOR...

and if it isn't worth $20 for 5 minutes of someone's time then I understand. I do. I totally get it. That's why I made the thread. I wanted to know if 'big business' auto shops would consider doing something THIS EASY for the $20 I was willing to pay for something that was offered to me free of charge.

THAT WAS ****ING IT. THE END.

EXOTER YOUR POST COULD HAVE BEEN:

HEY PEYTON'S PRINCESS, I OWN A SHOP. NO ****ING WAY WOULD WE DO THIS. DON'T EVEN ASK.

and that would have been WAY MORE INFORMATIVE TO ME then the 210,000 character life lesson you decided to give to me
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You don't get it, and never will.



Good luck. You know that you are the equivalent of the guy expecting to get a free or discounted beer even though he never tips and/or rarely comes into the bar.

"But the beer only cost you $.75! Why do you charge $3!"


Or better yet, you are the guy that tries to sneak his own beer in.



Reality is a bitch. You could have replaced the mirror yourself instead of wasting time complaining about it here.
This is a terrible analogy.
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This is a terrible analogy.
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damn, that seems pretty ****in simple...
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I agree, I n00bed myself. I just know I'm not willing to pay more than $20 for it...

but now that makes me cheap.

If I was ugly as sin and couldn't get a chick with a $300 bill hanging out of my zipper...

I'm not going to go to the mall and spend $500 on a new t-shirt.
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What I'm getting from this thread is if I'm ever in that neck of the woods and need work done on a vehicle, there's an honest one on the board (and it ain't the one jacking up the labor rates).
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