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Old 03-11-2013, 09:22 AM  
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Kansas working on law to require Doctors to tell patients abortion causes cancer

These kind of topics usually don't interest me, but this interests me more on the "government competence" front than pro-life/pro-choice:

Gwynn: Legislators factually incorrect in anti-abortion bill

By Katherine Gwynn

•Feb. 25, 2013

On Feb. 6, HB 2253 was introduced in the legislature, a 70-page bill that endeavors to severely restrict reproductive freedom in the state of Kansas. It further limits freedoms of individuals with the capability to become pregnant who decide to terminate a pregnancy. And while there are numerous sections in the bill I could criticize and tear into about their complete lack of respect for individuals’ rights to choose, as well as inserting religious doctrine into secular governmental regulation, I’ll focus on one section in particular. Specifically, how it requires doctors by law to feed false information to their patients when they consider receiving an abortion.

The bill states that “abortion causes breast cancer.” This statement originates from an outdated study that has long been disproven. In fact, according to the National Cancer Institute (NCI) in February of 2003 “a workshop of over a 100 of the world’s leading experts who study pregnancy and breast cancer risk … they concluded that having an abortion or miscarriage does not increase a woman’s subsequent risk of developing breast cancer.”

Yet Kansas legislators – even though they could discover this by, you know, talking to a doctor for example – insist this is “medical fact” rather than antiquated and discredited research. In which case, if we’re allowing information that has been disproven by science to still reign as reality, then I declare Pluto is still a planet. Because science used to say it was.

Personally, I think I’ll trust medical professionals rather than politicians when it comes to what is actually medical fact. Which “abortion causes breast cancer” is not.

This section’s inclusion in the bill not only stands out as morally wrong – requiring doctors to lie to their patients in order to coerce them into decisions about their bodies sounds like a hypocritical no-no to me – but tarnishes the reputation of the University of Kansas Medical School.

Just this past summer, the University received accreditation as a National Cancer Institute. This is incredible, not only for what it means for increased opportunities and funds for medical advances at KU Med, but in terms of the recognition the University has received for the work its students are doing to end cancer. But requiring doctors that train at KU Med who go on to practice in Kansas to tell individuals that they are at risk for breast cancer if they receive an abortion is an insult to the field of cancer research, and to the doctor-patient relationship.

Also, the National Cancer Institute? They’re kind of the ones who, if you remember from earlier in the article, have said breast cancer and abortion have no correlation. So now our med school would be required to basically train doctors who practice in Kansas to say, “Hey that big important entity who funds us? And who are cancer experts? Yeah, those guys have no idea what they’re saying.”

You might be pro-choice. You might be pro-life. But either way you should be kind of pissed that your legislators are trying to get your doctors to lie to you, about something that has blatantly been proven is a lie.

Also, I can’t be the only one tired of a bunch of people in Topeka being so incredibly concerned about the future of my ovaries that they’re willing to write 70 pages of anti-abortion legislation, in the fourth strictest state in terms of abortion regulations, when we have other things to focus on — like the economy.

So call your legislator. If you don’t know who they are, go to openkansas.org and type in the address where you’re registered. E-mail them, tweet them, call them, whatever. Just let your legislature know that this piece of legislation? Yeah, not cool, bro.

http://kansan.com/opinion/2013/02/25...abortion-bill/
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Old 03-12-2013, 05:01 PM   #16
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I hate to say this, but I kind of think that Kansas is to Christianity what Taliban-ruled Afghanistan was to Islam, i.e. I'm sure there's plenty of normal people there, but the leaders of that place are a bunch of religious ****ing nutjobs.
That is just silly. I get annoyed by the group of people who wish to force their beliefs regarding their invisible friend. However to compare them the the ****ing Taliban is asinine~
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Old 03-12-2013, 05:06 PM   #17
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That is just silly. I get annoyed by the group of people who wish to force their beliefs regarding their invisible friend. However to compare them the the ****ing Taliban is asinine~
RNR says that's a ridiculous exaggeration and he doesn't condone that type of hatred and hyperbole.
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Old 03-12-2013, 05:10 PM   #18
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Old 03-12-2013, 05:11 PM   #19
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It does wreck a woman's endrodrine system. There's some claim it leads to miscarriages from the scar tissue particularly if a woman has more than one. I've seen that in several cases with friends or family that have had one or more.
Of course you have.
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Old 03-12-2013, 05:14 PM   #20
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RNR says that's a ridiculous exaggeration and he doesn't condone that type of hatred and hyperbole.
You are a mindless clown unable to think for yourself. The poster I responded to is a very bright poster who over stepped in that post IMO I respect him and he is aware of that. He receives respect from those who disagree with him because he has earned it as well as deserves it. You on the other hand are a joke that everyone gets but you~
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Old 03-12-2013, 05:20 PM   #21
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Of course you have.
Yes it can happen and it does.


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Abortion doesn't affect future fertility; however, abortions with curettage involve a sharp tool that could create scar tissue in the uterus. Though it's rare for this scar tissue to form, it could affect a woman's chances of getting pregnant or increase the risk of pregnancy complications [source: WebMD].
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Uterine abnormalities: Uterus abnormalities account for ten to fifteen percent of repeated miscarriages. Some women are born with a double uterus or an abnormally shaped uterus. Other problems are scar tissue on the uterus. Uterus abnormalities may cause problems with proper implantation, create problems with blood supply to the uterus, or there may not be room for the baby to develop and grow.
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Old 03-12-2013, 05:23 PM   #22
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I think this should really be up to the doctors—not a law. I would think they'd have their integrity and the best interests of the patient at heart. Most go into help people. Probably a few bad apples though.
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Old 03-12-2013, 05:31 PM   #23
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It does wreck a woman's endrodrine system. There's some claim it leads to miscarriages from the scar tissue particularly if a woman has more than one. I've seen that in several cases with friends or family that have had one or more.
We really know way, way, more about your family, friends, friends of family, and their roommates, than we should.
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Old 03-12-2013, 05:36 PM   #24
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You are a mindless clown unable to think for yourself. The poster I responded to is a very bright poster who over stepped in that post IMO I respect him and he is aware of that. He receives respect from those who disagree with him because he has earned it as well as deserves it. You on the other hand are a joke that everyone gets but you~
I wasn't criticizing him. I was mocking you, who is constantly over-the-top with ridiculous assertions, tales of doom, and 'shitbag' references, for telling someone their comparison was a little too much.
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Old 03-12-2013, 06:02 PM   #25
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I wasn't criticizing him. I was mocking you, who is constantly over-the-top with ridiculous assertions, tales of doom, and 'shitbag' references, for telling someone their comparison was a little too much.
You are a shitbag
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Aw, RNR upset. Or happy. Hard to tell with whackjobs.
A simpleton like yourself can only amuse me. For me to get upset it would require me to take you serious. That is something I cannot bring myself to do. You are nothing more than an amusing little sideshow here~
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