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Yet, you are doing the same thing.
I don't recall citing any "studies". I was simply giving my opinion on hundreds of children that I see every year. Yes, they are "shy". Moreso than the other kids I see for the most part. I NEVER cited any study, so NO, I'm not doing the same thing.

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He was the one labeling them anti-social though. Just a reminder.
I get that. But there is a difference between exhibiting antisocial behaviors in certain situations and meeting the criteria for antisocial personality disorder. My guess is you mistakenly used that page for your link.
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He was the one labeling them anti-social though. Just a reminder.
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Old 03-11-2013, 04:02 PM   #140
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HOME-SCHOOLING: Socialization not a problem

Home School Progress Report of 2009 preceded this study here.
Until recently, “Homeschooling Grows Up” (2003) was the only study that addressed the socialization of home-schooled adults. Now we have a new longitudinal study titled “Fifteen Years Later: Home-Educated Canadian Adults” from the Canadian Centre for Home Education.

This study surveyed home-schooled students whose parents participated in a comprehensive study on home education in 1994. The study compared home-schoolers who are now adults with their peers. The results are astounding.

When measured against the average Canadians ages 15 to 34 years old, home-educated Canadian adults ages 15 to 34 were more socially engaged (69 percent participated in organized activities at least once per week, compared with 48 percent of the comparable population). Average income for home-schoolers also was higher, but perhaps more significantly, while 11 percent of Canadians ages 15 to 34 rely on welfare, there were no cases of government support as the primary source of income for home-schoolers. Home-schoolers also were happier; 67.3 percent described themselves as very happy, compared with 43.8 percent of the comparable population. Almost all of the home-schoolers — 96 percent — thought home-schooling had prepared them well for life.

This new study should cause many critics to rethink their position on the issue of socialization. Not only are home-schoolers actively engaged in civic life, they also are succeeding in all walks of life. Many critics believed, and some parents feared, that home-schoolers would not be able to compete in the job market. But the new study shows home-schoolers are found in a wide variety of professions. Being home-schooled has not closed doors on career choices.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...socialization-
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I get that. But there is a difference between exhibiting antisocial behaviors in certain situations and meeting the criteria for antisocial personality disorder. My guess is you mistakenly used that page for your link.
Perhaps but if the word "anti-social" is going to be used on children who are not discussing sports or their friends in a dental clinic setting, then it seems to be implying that whether the word "disorder" is added or not. It's a loaded word with or with disorder, implying they have some sort of harmful psychological condition.
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Home School Progress Report of 2009 preceded this study here.
Until recently, “Homeschooling Grows Up” (2003) was the only study that addressed the socialization of home-schooled adults. Now we have a new longitudinal study titled “Fifteen Years Later: Home-Educated Canadian Adults” from the Canadian Centre for Home Education.

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When measured against the average Canadians ages 15 to 34 years old, home-educated Canadian adults ages 15 to 34 were more socially engaged (69 percent participated in organized activities at least once per week, compared with 48 percent of the comparable population). Average income for home-schoolers also was higher, but perhaps more significantly, while 11 percent of Canadians ages 15 to 34 rely on welfare, there were no cases of government support as the primary source of income for home-schoolers. Home-schoolers also were happier; 67.3 percent described themselves as very happy, compared with 43.8 percent of the comparable population. Almost all of the home-schoolers — 96 percent — thought home-schooling had prepared them well for life.

This new study should cause many critics to rethink their position on the issue of socialization. Not only are home-schoolers actively engaged in civic life, they also are succeeding in all walks of life. Many critics believed, and some parents feared, that home-schoolers would not be able to compete in the job market. But the new study shows home-schoolers are found in a wide variety of professions. Being home-schooled has not closed doors on career choices.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...socialization-
once again, look at who did the study. Please stop.
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Perhaps but if the word "anti-social" is going to be used on children who are not discussing sports or their friends in a dental clinic setting, then it seems to be implying that whether the word "disorder" is added or not. It's a loaded word with or with disorder.
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I don't recall citing any "studies". I was simply giving my opinion on hundreds of children that I see every year. Yes, they are "shy". Moreso than the other kids I see for the most part. I NEVER cited any study, so NO, I'm not doing the same thing.
The problem I had with it and still do is that it's a generality. One not based on seeing the same kids in other settings. Or maybe they didn't like you.

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No, I'm leaving because I've gotta go home now. I think I'll leave you with an article NOT produced by the HS world



Children educated at home twice as likely to be known to social services select committee told

Home pupils more likely to be known by social services and be out of work, education or training
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A teacher giving a lesson to pupils in a London primary school Photograph: Graham Turner


Children educated at home are twice as likely to be known by social services and four times more likely as young adults to be out of work, education or training than those who go to school, MPs have been told.

MPs on the cross-party select committee for children, schools and families asked the head of a government inquiry into home education and the schools minister to defend calls for tougher rules on parents who teach their children at home.

In his review published in June, Kent's former education director Graham Badman recommended that all home educators register with their local authority. Councils should be given powers to refuse registration if a child is believed to be at risk, he said.

Badman also called for parents to be asked for a 12-month plan detailing what they would be teaching their children.

The review was commissioned to investigate whether the number of children known to social care in some local authorities was disproportionately high relative to the size of their home educating population.

The committee is investigating the review after a backlash from parents who say they have been stigmatised as more likely to be child abusers.

But Badman told the MPs that although "we shouldn't treat home educators with suspicion, we should know that the risk factor is proportionately double".

The review of 74 local authorities had found that while 0.2% of children in the UK population were known to social services, the figure was 0.4% among those who were educated at home.

"I met several who were very accomplished, but we can't say that all children are safe," he said. "I take the view that some people have prospered with home education."

He said that "the percentage of home-educated children who are not in employment, education or training [known as 'neets'] is higher than in the national population".

Of the 1,220 home-educated children studied for the review, 270 were "neets", around 22%. This was more than four times the proportion of neets in the UK population, he said.

Barry Sheerman, the chair of the committee and Labour MP for Huddersfield, said that while there were some "fantastic examples" of home education, there were also some "horror stories". He asked Diana Johnson, the schools minister, whether the review had focused too much on the potential dangers of home education.

Johnson said: "I would say that a lot of the recommendations are about creating a positive relationship between local authorities and home educators. The worrying thing for me is that we don't have a full set of data. We don't know how many children are being home-educated. Because we don't know the number of children, we don't know their educational outcomes."

Badman said that only in extreme circumstances would a local authority forbid a parent from registering as a "home educator". The registration scheme has been accepted in principle by ministers and is under consultation.

The government estimates that around 20,000 children are registered with local authorities as receiving home tuition, but the real number could be closer to 50,000 because parents are obligated to inform the authorities only if they withdraw a child from school, not if they have never been to school.

Fiona Nicholson, of the support group Education Otherwise, has said that a registration scheme would "completely shift the balance of power".

"The state is coming into family life and trying to regulate it. It is an extraordinary invasion of the family," she said.

The committee is to take evidence from home educators tomorrow.

The government now wants a clearer definition of what kind of education should be deemed suitable for children who are educated at home.

Ed Balls, the children's secretary, has said that a review early in 2010 will discuss this.

• This article was amended on 19 October 2009. The headline was changed to reflect more accurately the content of the article about evidence given to the select committee by Graham Badman. The figure of 2.2%, given as the percentage of young people educated at home who were said to be out of work education or training, was changed to 22%
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The Guardian? For homeschooling? They're British and very statist, actually socialist. It's no wonder they rely on a "head of a government inquiry." How authoritarian. Those guys want complete control. Their ed system is a mess too. So who would believe them. You must support their national health system too. I didn't think you were a man of the left.
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There is nothing wrong with using that group as a source. I am just critiqueing the article from a research standpoint. And the point is that for a 2007 article they couldn't come up with more up to date sources.

There are three possible conclusions one can draw as to why that is the case. One, there are no new studies out there that support the intentions of the article. Two, there is no new research being done on the subject (unlikely IMO). Or three, they really didn't try very hard. Either way it just seems like a very poor article.
I just posted a newer one.
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once again, look at who did the study. Please stop.
A conservative source? You have statist sources from the left in a socialist country where the people have bad teeth. No one else really does studies on this. And your free to look at the data. And refute it with other data bit by bit which you haven't done....except to rely on its opponents who have a vested interest in maintaining control.
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