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Old 03-11-2013, 10:38 AM  
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:38 PM   #31
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:38 PM   #32
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If that really is the case, then let them start a movement in their own country in an attempt to get the law changed.
No, because they can't there. The option is to move. Particularly when their children are of school age. This may prompt change later though. By then it's too late for the kids.

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As much as you aren't going to like it, by the letter of the law, it sounds like the Obama admin is getting this one right.
No they're not. Not when they give asylum to others for more dubious reasons. Even the Clinton administration took Germany to task for it's curbs on religious freedom.
Previously, an immigration judge granted them asylum in 2010. It is allowed.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:41 PM   #33
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NOT FOX NEWS?!?!
Just FYI, this was reported earlier elsewhere, BEFORE Fox news picked it up.
But feel free to attack the source, instead of the merits of the point.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:43 PM   #34
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Here's my question -

These people fully understood the law, archaic as it may be, and proceeded to act against it anyway. Why not apply for a visa to move to the US when their first kid(s) were very young, and not put yourself in this position? Or even better, find a country close to Germany that allows what you want for your kids and move there?
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:43 PM   #35
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Here's my question -

These people fully understood the law, archaic as it may be, and proceeded to act against it anyway. Why not apply for a visa to move to the US when their first kid(s) were very young, and not put yourself in this position? Or even better, find a country close to Germany that allows what you want for your kids and move there?
So what. An immigration judge granted them asylum in 2010. It's allowed in this country.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:44 PM   #36
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No, because they can't there. The option is to move. Particularly when their children are of school age. This may prompt change later though. By then it's too late for the kids.



No they're not. Not when they give asylum to others for more dubious reasons. Even the Clinton administration took Germany to task for it's curbs on religious freedom.
What specific examples where asylum was given for dubious reasons do you know about?
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:44 PM   #37
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:46 PM   #38
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So what. An immigration judge granted them asylum in 2010. It's allowed in this country.
Question - Are their LIVES in danger in Germany, or their LIVELIHOOD?

Becasue there is a distinct difference.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:49 PM   #39
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Question - Are their LIVES in danger in Germany, or their LIVELIHOOD?

Becasue there is a distinct difference.
You don't get to decide that difference. It's up to them to make their case for feeling persecuted, which they did to an immigration. Don't know why the Obama admin gets to overrule a judge like this. This country was founded on religious freedom not on your criteria. The Romeikes took three of their children out of the German school system under the belief that the educational institutions were promoting anti-Christian values.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:56 PM   #40
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So, apparently what happened here was that an Immigration Board of Appeals overuled an immigration judge. U.S. Justice Department filed in favor of the board's decision saying that there was no persecution in Germany's compulsory education laws. The party is being represented by Home School Legal Defense Association. Don't forget Germany has establishments of official religion by the state. So even if they have religious schools, this still may not suit their beliefs. They just need to demonstrate this. But I say, there should just be the liberty to educate your children. It's a natural right.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:56 PM   #41
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You don't get to decide that difference. It's up to them to make their case for feeling persecuted, which they did to an immigration. Don't know why the Obama admin gets to overrule a judge like this. This country was founded on religious freedom not on your criteria.
Nobody needs to "decide" the difference, it's pretty simple, but I'll do it for you anyway...

1) German family homeschools their kids, are warned not to do it, do it anyway, police show up and put bullets in all of their heads

2) German family homeschools their kids, are warned not to do it, do it anyway, family is fined $45/day per child, and kids are eventually taken to school

Seems like a pretty big and obvious difference to me?
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:57 PM   #42
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Nobody needs to "decide" the difference, it's pretty simple, but I'll do it for you anyway...

1) German family homeschools their kids, are warned not to do it, do it anyway, police show up and put bullets in all of their heads

2) German family homeschools their kids, are warned not to do it, do it anyway, family is fined $45/day per child, and kids are eventually taken to school

Seems like a pretty big and obvious difference to me?
We disagree. It's anti-liberty and fascist.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:58 PM   #43
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So, apparently what happened here was that an Immigration Board of Appeals overuled an immigration judge. U.S. Justice Department filed in favor of the board's decision saying that there was no persecution in Germany's compulsory education laws. The party is being represented by Home School Legal Defense Association. Don't forget Germany has establishments of official religion by the state. So even if they have religious schools, this still may not suit their beliefs. They just need to demonstrate this. But I say, there should just be the liberty to educate your children. It's a natural right.
No disagreement with this at all.

My point all along has been these people knew EXACTLY what they were getting into with their government by taking this course of action.
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We disagree. It's anti-liberty and fascist.
I'm in no way saying Germany is right for upholding some ridiculous Nazi-era law. I guess the best thing everyone can hope for from this case is that there will now be pressure on Germany to re-evaluate this law and potentially others.
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Justice Department claims homeschooling is not a fundamental right despite courts have upheld it. There were battles on this before in some states. I do know that SC has stated parents have certain liberty regarding their education despite no HS case per se.


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For Farris, the freedom to homeschool is essential to freedom of thought – the right to believe what one wants to believe.

Most would find a problem, Farris points out, with forcing Jews to feed their children pork. [ Bowser would probably support this too] He equates forcing students to take a particular course of education to force feeding the mind, rather than the body, on a religiously objectionable diet.

"Freedom for the mind and spirit is as important as freedom for the body and spirit," Farris wrote.

German homeschoolers are a persecuted social group in Germany, Farris contends, and in a free nation there should be a fundamental right to homeschool.

The Justice Department argues that governments may legitimately use its authority to force parents to send their kids to government sanctioned schools. Since it takes the position that Germany may do that, it follows that the administration believes it has the right to do that in the United States as well.
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