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Old 03-11-2013, 10:38 AM  
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:23 PM   #91
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You are very misinformed on this. Most are. Many of our best minds weren't educated in the current mainstream model either.




No she was not around adults all day. She was invited to several proms and attended one. She got to go on field trips with me and one of those schools.She was homeschooled last two years of high-school only. But I also used CC classes, one private school and one public school for courses I could not do with her. She was appalled at the horrific teacher she had for Physics and the lack of ethics and manners of the other kids in that class. Some who tried to get her to forge documents to their parents. She refused. I am glad she got to see this after being in good private school for just over ten years first. This is where you are highly misinformed not just on my daughter but other homeschoolers. I suggest you do more research on this. Check out the link above on all the activities with others homeschoolers are involved in.

She is now in college living with twenty other girls from very different family backgrounds and other friends outside of that. Two of which are gay. One male and one female. She has seen got kids disowned by their parents, another parent who takes her kid's financial aid for herself ( she's a druggie) and a roomate of hers was even raped. That roomate choose to go to her because she liked her reaction to it more while the others were in hysterics. She stayed with her while she drove to be with her parents.
Wow, sounds like a great situation. I hope she isn't appalled by any of her co workers when she gets a job, or by her boss. She can't just run away from those. Well, I suppose she could, but it's easier to learn to deal with people you don't understand.

I didn't intend to offend you, and fully expected a homeschooler to flame me. I made a simple observation, and I stand by it. Like I said, I see hundreds of kids in my practice each month. My business partner and I have actually had the conversation as to why so many of the homeschooled kids seem antisocial and actually seem to have poorer dental hygiene, when you would expect the exact opposite. Again, I hope it works out for you.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:24 PM   #92
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Wow, sounds like a great situation. I hope she isn't appalled by any of her co workers when she gets a job, or by her boss. She can't just run away from those. Well, I suppose she could, but it's easier to learn to deal with people you don't understand.

I didn't intend to offend you, and fully expected a homeschooler to flame me. I made a simple observation, and I stand by it. Like I said, I see hundreds of kids in my practice each month. My business partner and I have actually had the conversation as to why so many of the homeschooled kids seem antisocial and actually seem to have poorer dental hygiene, when you would expect the exact opposite. Again, I hope it works out for you.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:30 PM   #94
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Wow, sounds like a great situation. I hope she isn't appalled by any of her co workers when she gets a job, or by her boss. She can't just run away from those.
What makes you think she is running away from any of them now? BTW, she was told not to go around correcting other's lifestyles. She was voted president of her building so on rules violations she has that authority to fine or do what she needs to do.

It seems to me that you agree on what I described as socialization being today though.

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Then you missed the entire point.

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You did NOT offend me. I can handle disagreement while reserving the right to disagree—vehemently if I want. That is not flaming you to say why I disagree with you either. I edited that post to point out that I wasn't flaming you but that I vehemently disagree.

I just think you lack information; relied on a few anecdotal examples, think what passes for socialization today is a good standard. Now, because you got agreement from your partner that it makes it more valid. There are many different kinds of homeschoolers now a days.

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I made a simple observation, and I stand by it. Like I said, I see hundreds of kids in my practice each month. My business partner and I have actually had the conversation as to why so many of the homeschooled kids seem antisocial and actually seem to have poorer dental hygiene, when you would expect the exact opposite. Again, I hope it works out for you.
Many homeschooled kids? Link?
You saw a few.

Define anti-social? Do you realize what that term actually means? It's pretty disparaging. But you're saying I am flaming you?

Anti-social behavior:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisoc...ality_disorder

Seems we're getting some of those in the govt schools...since they now bully and even shoot one another in some cases.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:31 PM   #95
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I disagree based on the points made in some of those SC decisions. They have a right to avoid govt standardization.
Germany has its own laws and courts.

We have a Constitution that provides for separation of powers between the branches of government.

In this area, congress passed laws regarding the standards for granting asylum and there has been precedent interpreting those laws.

Seems to me, that you are arguing that every asylum applicant should be granted asylum if they can prove any distinction between their country's laws and ours if one of our constitutional rights are implicated.

You should lobby Congress to change the law to your proposed standard.

The executive's duty is to follow the laws and regulations and exercise its executive and quasi-judicial authority in good faith to what Congress intended.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:33 PM   #96
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Germany has its own laws and courts.

We have a Constitution that provides for separation of powers between the branches of government.

In this area, congress passed laws regarding the standards for granting asylum and there has been precedent interpreting those laws.

Seems to me, that you are arguing that every asylum applicant should be granted asylum if they can prove any distinction between their country's laws and ours if one of our constitutional rights are implicated.

You should lobby Congress to change the law to your proposed standard.

The executive's duty is to follow the laws and regulations and exercise its executive and quasi-judicial authority in good faith to what Congress intended.
Uh, that's an immigration judge that granted them asylum. So you are not necessarily correct. At least one judge disagrees with you.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:40 PM   #97
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Interesting conversation here on Ask:

Why do people think Homeschoolers are antisocial and are geniuses?
Uhm, they are not all geniuses. In fact some families have learning disabled children.

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Because people are prone to follow the herd mentality... it's hard for them to think outside the box.

This is especially true when any new group crops up that is doing something different or unfamiliar... it takes decades sometimes to drop the steroetypes and get real.

I've taught in homeschool co-ops as well as public school. I have to say I do prefer the homeschool crowd; overall, they're just a more pleasant bunch to work with, there's less negativity overall in the environment.

But overall, when you take the kids individually, there are no major differences.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:49 PM   #98
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One of my favorite authors and researchers on the topic of unschooling and school reform is Peter Gray, a Boston College psychology professor and writer for Psychology Today. His blog, Freedom to Learn, is informative and inspirational, particularly his most recent article: "Is Real Educational Reform Possible? If So, How?"

In his article, Peter Gray goes on to argue that "real reform is not possible from within the existing conventional school system," and, as a result, "the trend for people to walk away from the conventional schooling system will continue and will accelerate."

Q: "So do you worry about socialization?"
A: "We belong to very active local homeschool groups and have weekly playgroups with our homeschool friends and neighborhood friends. And, on the flip side, I am glad that my kids will not be exposed to the negative socialization that often occurs in schools."
More police are needed in the school who are using tasers for discipline, physical restraints and even jail. Sad.

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Old 03-11-2013, 03:00 PM   #99
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What makes you think she is running away from any of them now? BTW, she was told not to go around correcting other's lifestyles. She was voted president of her building so on rules violations she has that authority to fine or do what she needs to do.

It seems to me that you agree on what I described as socialization being today though.


Then you missed the entire point.



You did NOT offend me. I can handle disagreement while reserving the right to disagree—vehemently if I want. That is not flaming you to say why I disagree with you either. I edited that post to point out that I wasn't flaming you but that I vehemently disagree.

I just think you lack information; relied on a few anecdotal examples, think what passes for socialization today is a good standard. Now, because you got agreement from your partner that it makes it more valid. There are many different kinds of homeschoolers now a days.


Many homeschooled kids? Link?
You saw a few.

Define anti-social? Do you realize what that term actually means? It's pretty disparaging. But you're saying I am flaming you?

Anti-social behavior:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisoc...ality_disorder

Seems we're getting some of those in the govt schools...since they now bully and even shoot one another in some cases.
A few? I've been in practice for 20 years. I've seen hundreds of families that homeschool their kids. My partner has been in practice 26 years. We see different families.

By antisocial, I mean that they don't smile as much, don't talk about sports or friends as much, and quite frankly, seem a bit out of touch with reality.

And yes, we have actually wondered why they are more often disheveled and have poor oral hygiene. I would think it would be the other way around. Again, just an observation.
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Uh, that's an immigration judge that granted them asylum. So you are not necessarily correct. At least one judge disagrees with you.
I think the agency denied the application and the applicant appealed and the immigration judge heard evidence and made a ruling in favor of the applicant and the board of immigration appeals reversed that decision.

All of that is executive branch agency action with their own judges having a responsibility to be fair and neutral in deciding the cases.

Now the appeal goes to the USCA-6th circuit. That review will be the first ones that are not executive branch employees.

It is not really remarkable that the DOJ would do its job and defend the initial agency decision by appealing the IJ reversal of that decision, and the DOJ is definitely not going to back off now that the BIA has reversed the IJ's decision.

This is a routine case where the government has a good argument to make regarding asylum law according to the laws Congress passed and the legal precedent.

It would not be fair to other asylum applicants for the DOJ to not play its usual role on this case just because of the race, religion and educational philosophy of the applicants.

I am not sure why you think that Congress has adopted your proposed standard for asylum just because of the IJ's ruling.
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She has seen got kids disowned by their parents, another parent who takes her kid's financial aid for herself ( she's a druggie) and a roomate of hers was even raped. That roomate choose to go to her because she liked her reaction to it more while the others were in hysterics. She stayed with her while she drove to be with her parents.
When you lie as much as you do, it becomes difficult to discern the truth from the fiction. This one is especially difficult to believe. Could you explain how the bolded section is happening?
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A few? I've been in practice for 20 years. I've seen hundreds of families that homeschool their kids. My partner has been in practice 26 years. We see different families.

By antisocial, I mean that they don't smile as much, don't talk about sports or friends as much, and quite frankly, seem a bit out of touch with reality.

And yes, we have actually wondered why they are more often disheveled and have poor oral hygiene. I would think it would be the other way around. Again, just an observation.
That's anti-social? Do you you know what the term really means?

I don't talk sports or friends at the dentist either. Does anyone? How on earth can anyone talk with all that equipment you put in our mouths? I hate when you guys ask questions and I can't answer with my moth stopped-up.

Perhaps they're scared of the dentist. I used to be. My kid hated it when she was young too. So many they act differently around you. I still have anxiety when I go. Many of them are too pushing selling stuff not needed to make a buck too. Or maybe you and your partner scare them.
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I explained it enough. That's a true story what she told me of it. I do not lie about such things. If you don't want to believe it, that's your business.

Looks like you got nothing —AGAIN. Just peanuts to toss at those you disagree with.
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I think the agency denied the application and the applicant appealed and the immigration judge heard evidence and made a ruling in favor of the applicant and the board of immigration appeals reversed that decision.
Yes. I posted that earlier in the thread.

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All of that is executive branch agency action with their own judges having a responsibility to be fair and neutral in deciding the cases.

Now the appeal goes to the USCA-6th circuit. That review will be the first ones that are not executive branch employees.

It is not really remarkable that the DOJ would do its job and defend the initial agency decision by appealing the IJ reversal of that decision, and the DOJ is definitely not going to back off now that the BIA has reversed the IJ's decision.

This is a routine case where the government has a good argument to make regarding asylum law according to the laws Congress passed and the legal precedent.

It would not be fair to other asylum applicants for the DOJ to not play its usual role on this case just because of the race, religion and educational philosophy of the applicants.

I am not sure why you think that Congress has adopted your proposed standard for asylum just because of the IJ's ruling.

I haven't said Congress adopted it. I said a judge saw it as valid for asylum. I defend it on natural law and natural rights, which is what our system is supposed to be based on. It think it will down to someone's opinion on what persecution is. I doubt that makes it fair and neutral but more as to how the final decision will be made.
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