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Old 03-11-2013, 09:38 AM  
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:41 PM   #121
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Ever hear of civil disobedience because of unjust, immoral laws? It's duty do disbey this. At least they left to do what they wanted in a freer country. ( less free than before but still...) We grant political asylum for others. So why does the Obama admin choose to punish them because it's homeschooling? Answer: They'd shut down homeschooling nationwide if they could because they're fascist/socialist too. I think if this was a conservative or libertarian admin they'd be granted political asylum. Perhaps they need to try Canada, now a tad bit freer than America.


The bottom line here is whether this family should JUMP OVER every other family trying to immigrate here legally using the normal system BECAUSE they want to home school.

We're not saying they CAN NEVER move there, we're saying that they can't ignore the entire process and come and stay because they're being persecuted at home. Or, at least, being persecuted for something that we find sufficient to permit them to stay.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:43 PM   #122
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Are you really unable to distinguish the difference between Antisocial Personality Disorder, and someone simply being "anti social"?

One is a diagnosible condition with traits that lead to behavior that is often harmful to others. The other is just a behavior that people following "the norm" find odd.

Also, the fact that you choose to quote a definition, and then disagree with the part that doesn't support your argument, completely blows holes in your ability to reason and debate. Have a nice day.
No, I said why I disagreed with it—that it depended on what it meant. Sure it's not normal to shoot people ( as has happened in the schools). Depends on what they mean by it. That profession does have a tendency to change what they consider a norm too. And some of their so-called disorders are just things kids normally do growing up. They even have caffeine something disorder. It's manual, in some areas, is ridiculous. So by your argument cheating, promiscuity with the rise in STDs is the new norm. Overspending is the new norm when you look at both govt and private debt.

Being different is not abnormal. It's just different. Being shy may be a disorder but it's hardly harmful to others.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:44 PM   #123
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Are you really unable to distinguish the difference between Antisocial Personality Disorder, and someone simply being "anti social"?

One is a diagnosible condition with traits that lead to behavior that is often harmful to others. The other is just a behavior that people following "the norm" find odd.

Also, the fact that you choose to quote a definition, and then disagree with the part that doesn't support your argument, completely blows holes in your ability to reason and debate. Have a nice day.
Also of note, children can't be diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:46 PM   #124
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This is an example of you distorting the truth. Previously, you stated that the mother had taken the financial aid for herself (which is highly unlikely). Now, you're claiming that she didn't get the money because the daughter didn't give it to her (which seems much more plausible). Surely, you see the difference.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:49 PM   #125
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No, I said why I disagreed with it—that it depended on what it meant. Sure it's not normal to shoot people ( as has happened in the schools). Depends on what they mean by it. That profession does have a tendency to change what they consider a norm too. And some of their so-called disorders are just things kids normally do growing up. They even have caffeine something disorder. It's manual, in some areas, is ridiculous. So by your argument cheating, promiscuity with the rise in STDs is the new norm. Overspending is the new norm when you look at both govt and private debt.

Being different is not abnormal. It's just different. Being shy may be a disorder but it's hardly harmful to others.
By "that profession', you mean psycology? That profession just so happens to be the profession that employs the people you are citing in "studies" that support what you do. You aren't looking very credible here you know.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:49 PM   #126
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So here we have a group whose purpose is the defense of home schooling. They posted an article in 2007. Yet, all but one of the sources they reference are from 1993 or prior.

Of ten references, one is of an unknown date, one is from 2004. The rest are from 1991, 1984, 1986, 1989, 1992, 1992, 1989, and 1993.

Doesn't this make you question the reliability of the article? Especially considering the fact that an organization dedicated to home schooling can't come up with more up to date sources and information? Strictly from a research standpoint it certainly makes me question the reliability of it.
So. Why would there be a major change since then anyway?

There are other articles but I just picked that one, because they are the most comprehensive source with links to studies. There's nothing wrong with using a site that defends HS though. Since they compile most of the data. I really doubt there's much change since. The HS aren't doing things different than then and they are still be accepted to universities and getting full scholarships. But feel free to post them if you see any.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:50 PM   #127
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I just called my daughter. She said she wasn't sure if the girl gave the mother some, and then stopped doing it, but it was not via the financial aid office directly that the mother got the money. It was the kid that gave it to the mom. But she doesn't like it and to my knowledge she didn't continue giving any to her.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:53 PM   #129
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She has seen got kids disowned by their parents, another parent who takes her kid's financial aid for herself ( she's a druggie) and a roomate of hers was even raped.
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I resent your accusing me of doing that intentionally and deliberately. The parent tried to get it, but in the end didn't get it. But the parent wanted it. It was info passed onto me without every detail. The parent also did not want her in college either. Okay, so it was sloppily put but that's not an intentional distortion of the truth. In my view trying to take her financial aid is not much different than doing it, as it was her intent. Even if she actually tried to access her account in some way, the girl was against her mother getting it. This girl has a lot of trouble with her mother.
Very much an intentional distortion of the truth. And a cry for attention.
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By "that profession', you mean psycology? That profession just so happens to be the profession that employs the people you are citing in "studies" that support what you do. You aren't looking very credible here you know.

Again, it depends on what is meant by norms...that was not detailed enough in that link.
Then I was referring to it's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders getting out of hand on some things.
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Very much an intentional distortion of the truth. And a cry for attention.
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Also of note, children can't be diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder.
He was the one labeling them anti-social though. Just a reminder.
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So. Why would there be a major change since then anyway?

There are other articles but I just picked that one, because they are the most comprehensive source with links to studies. There's nothing wrong with using a site that defends HS though. Since they compile most of the data. I really doubt there's much change since. The HS aren't doing things different than then and they are still be accepted to universities and getting full scholarships. But feel free to post them if you see any.
There is nothing wrong with using that group as a source. I am just critiqueing the article from a research standpoint. And the point is that for a 2007 article they couldn't come up with more up to date sources.

There are three possible conclusions one can draw as to why that is the case. One, there are no new studies out there that support the intentions of the article. Two, there is no new research being done on the subject (unlikely IMO). Or three, they really didn't try very hard. Either way it just seems like a very poor article.
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