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Old 03-11-2013, 03:02 PM  
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A judge has blocked that stupid large soda ban, you may now get your Big Gulps if you are in NYC.

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Old 03-12-2013, 10:28 AM   #31
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People with weight problems, the one group of people that can be made fun of without fear of repercussions.





Replace "fat people" with any of the following;
Black people
White people
Asians
Hispanics
Gay people
Southern people
New Yorker residents
etc...

Feel good about yourselves?
The HUGE difference is that being fat is a choice.
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:32 AM   #32
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The HUGE difference is that being fat is a choice.
So folks that turn to food vs. drugs and or booze never factor into any part of this? Fat people are just lazy.
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:39 AM   #33
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So folks that turn to food vs. drugs and or booze never factor into any part of this? Fat people are just lazy.
Those are obviously all bad choices. Are you trying to make a point about something?

You're all over the board here. First, you seem to suggest that making comments about fat people is some how racist or bigoted and now you're dragging alcoholics and druggies into the discussion to somehow make fat people seem less lazy?
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:39 AM   #34
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Fat people are just lazy.
I already said that's the first thing that crosses my mind, and I will wait patiently for you to find a single link of any info that says otherwise.


I really don't care either way, but the sooner that people embrace the truth, the better.


On a side note, please don't associate Omaha's defiintion of fat with my own.


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Old 03-12-2013, 10:41 AM   #35
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So folks that turn to food vs. drugs and or booze never factor into any part of this? Fat people are just lazy.
Why must one "turn to" things? Why can't people just be responsible for their own actions?
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:43 AM   #36
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I already said that's the first thing that crosses my mind, and I will wait patiently for you to find a single link of any info that says otherwise.


I really don't care either way, but the sooner that people embrace the truth, the better.


On a side note, please don't associate Omaha's defiintion of fat with my own.


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Old 03-12-2013, 10:45 AM   #37
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:46 AM   #38
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Those are obviously all bad choices. Are you trying to make a point about something?

You're all over the board here. First, you seem to suggest that making comments about fat people is some how racist or bigoted and now you're dragging alcoholics and druggies into the discussion to somehow make fat people seem less lazy?
As someone who has struggled with his own weight and health it pisses me off when the fat = lazy BS gets spewed.

And my initial point was, and still is, that people with wieght problems are viewed as less of a person. Same way various groups (blacks, Irish, etc.) have been viewed throughout history.

Are there fat people out there that are lazy slobs that would rather eat a bag of chips vs. get up and take a walk? You bet. However, people tend to paint with a broad brush.
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:47 AM   #39
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As someone who has struggled with his own weight and health it pisses me off when the fat = lazy BS gets spewed.

And my initial point was, and still is, that people with wieght problems are viewed as less of a person. Same way various groups (blacks, Irish, etc.) have been viewed throughout history.

Are there fat people out there that are lazy slobs that would rather eat a bag of chips vs. get up and take a walk? You bet. However, people tend to paint with a broad brush.
There are always exceptions to the rule, but we shouldn't use those exceptions to rationalize unhealthy behavior.
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:51 AM   #40
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It continues to amaze me that people just refuse to take care of themselves. What is it about what seems to be a growing number of people that makes them ignore the fact that they are disgusting and giving themselves ridiculous health problems? We had to start a wellness program at work to try to encourage people to take care of themselves. Why can't people see that they should already be doing that?
I think there are lazy people, then there are those who feel helpless and find themselves in a spiral. They crash diet and don't get results. The biggest controllable solution is to make it easier to make good decisions. I've talked to people who think eating a meatball sub at subway is actually a healthy alternative. Or that think drinking diet coke is responsible. And how many lives would be healthier if people knew how to cook? Or blows my mind how horrible people in my generation are about cooking. When I cook, control my ingredients. When I buy packaged food, it is almost impossible to cut through the marketing spin to know really what I'm putting into my body.

That's what bothers me the most. When somebody tries to do the right thing but isn't educated enough to make the right decision because things have gotten so complicated. Or people who run all the time but don't build muscles or control their diet.
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:55 AM   #41
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The spiraling health care costs from people eating and drinking sugar and fat like maniacs is top priority in my book. This is the wrong way to do it but controlling obesity is unbelievably important. Because we all benefit big time from a health. Are system that starts slashing costs.
I don't understand how cigarettes are worse than Soda for the individual consuming them.

Soda has been linked to cancer, diabetes, heart disease, weakens teeth and bones, and most kinds contain Caffeine which is an incredibly addictive chemical... then we let them market it to children. Why is there no warning label informing you of these dangers?

Cigarettes have warning labels and age requirements... but something that causes just as many health problems is totally legal. Both contain an extremely addictive chemical.

It's poison.
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:56 AM   #42
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I think there are lazy people, then there are those who feel helpless and find themselves in a spiral. They crash diet and don't get results. The biggest controllable solution is to make it easier to make good decisions. I've talked to people who think eating a meatball sub at subway is actually a healthy alternative. Or that think drinking diet coke is responsible. And how many lives would be healthier if people knew how to cook? Or blows my mind how horrible people in my generation are about cooking. When I cook, control my ingredients. When I buy packaged food, it is almost impossible to cut through the marketing spin to know really what I'm putting into my body.

That's what bothers me the most. When somebody tries to do the right thing but isn't educated enough to make the right decision because things have gotten so complicated. Or people who run all the time but don't build muscles or control their diet.
Education.


I don't order or buy anything unless I look at the nut. value chart. Most people don't have a clue what that chart means.

On a side note, I used to love meatball subs with cheese and jalapenos. One day I got ahold of Subway's nutritional values and about fainted. Have not had one in 9 years since.
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:58 AM   #43
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Drinking beer and alcohol is bad for your health and certainly increases health insurance rates. Maybe they should try to ban alcohol too? Oh, wait.....
Oh, I forgot that soda is regulated the same way as Alcohol.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:05 AM   #44
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I think there are lazy people, then there are those who feel helpless and find themselves in a spiral. They crash diet and don't get results. The biggest controllable solution is to make it easier to make good decisions. I've talked to people who think eating a meatball sub at subway is actually a healthy alternative. Or that think drinking diet coke is responsible. And how many lives would be healthier if people knew how to cook? Or blows my mind how horrible people in my generation are about cooking. When I cook, control my ingredients. When I buy packaged food, it is almost impossible to cut through the marketing spin to know really what I'm putting into my body.

That's what bothers me the most. When somebody tries to do the right thing but isn't educated enough to make the right decision because things have gotten so complicated. Or people who run all the time but don't build muscles or control their diet.
I agree with you 100%. However, I'd argue that these people are ignorant AND lazy. If something isn't working, most people would be inclined to learn why, not give up and make a bad situation worse. All of this information can easily be obtained. People just ignore it.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:13 AM   #45
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As someone who has struggled with his own weight and health it pisses me off when the fat = lazy BS gets spewed.

And my initial point was, and still is, that people with wieght problems are viewed as less of a person. Same way various groups (blacks, Irish, etc.) have been viewed throughout history.
NO! First, these other groups are absolutely NOT viewed as "less of a person" by anyone who isn't an ignorant moron. Second, it is not the same. Not at all. Not in any way.


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Are there fat people out there that are lazy slobs that would rather eat a bag of chips vs. get up and take a walk? You bet. However, people tend to paint with a broad brush.
Calories in / Calories out. Every time. Whatever the reason, painted with any brush, it always comes down to this.
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