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View Poll Results: Can you chose to hope Reid/Dorsey have a sound plan?
They seems to have a good plan 96 29.09%
Benefit of doubt until proven otherwise 158 47.88%
Those guys have proven to be failures 2 0.61%
Their moves so far cause me great concern that they are inept 46 13.94%
Screw this team 24 7.27%
Gaz says WTF am I? 4 1.21%
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Old 03-14-2013, 03:56 PM  
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The constant negativity is tiresome. Who is ready to join me and move on?

I'm finding this constant negativity tiresome. We have sucked for years. We were an embarrassment. A big ****ing joke. I'm done with the negativity.

I wanted Geno. I think we overpaid for Smith. I'm scratching my head over some of their moves.

Reid and Dorsey obviously have a plan. For crissakes, Reid watched every down of every player for the whole ****ing year before he even met with Clark. I'm going to give them AT LEAST a half a season before I start calling them dumb-asses and screaming for their head.

I don't think I'm accepting mediocrity by choosing to not scream and yell and be totally pissed off by the moves so far. If you think so, you are entitled to you opinion.

I was an early and financial supporter of SOC. Season ticket holder for years. I think anyone would label me a hard core Chiefs fan. Just like most of the posters on this board. We deserve better than we have been given by our team. I will be a Chiefs fan until I become worm food. Lifes too short to go around pissed all the time. I did enough of that the last few years.

I'm going to chose to hope that Reid and Dorseys plan is sound and will result in the return of winning football and our first playoff win since the Montana era. Who's with me?

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Old 03-24-2013, 10:44 AM   #886
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this is the rationale of failure that keeps the chiefs from getting a QB

Whats the definition of insanity again?

Oh yah: repeating the same behavior, but expecting a different result
The Chiefs have had success with retreads. Every QB the Chiefs have ever drafted has been a bust of one degree or another.
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Old 03-24-2013, 10:48 AM   #887
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The Chiefs have had success with retreads. Every QB the Chiefs have ever drafted has been a bust of one degree or another.
Blackledge and Croyle: the only QBs they've drafted in the first 120 picks of the draft.
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Old 03-24-2013, 10:55 AM   #888
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The Chiefs have had success with retreads. Every QB the Chiefs have ever drafted has been a bust of one degree or another.
One first round pick 30 years ago. One 2nd round pick 20 years ago. Maybe if Brodie Croyle wasn't made of glass and PW from his wife at third round pick he was the only draft pick to start a game for the Chiefs in the first decade of 2000. I think we had a couple other late rounders but no one was groomed to take over to be starting QB.

So it's not that every draft pick QB was a bust it's that they didn't put any emphasis to make them successful or give them the opportunities like other teams by drafting and playing them.
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Old 03-24-2013, 10:56 AM   #889
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Blackledge and Croyle: the only QBs they've drafted in the first 120 picks of the draft.
Don't forget Matt Blundin 2nd round pick that had four pass plays of his career.
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Old 03-24-2013, 11:01 AM   #890
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Don't forget Matt Blundin 2nd round pick that had four pass plays of his career.
Mike Elkins, Steve Fuller, David Jaynes, and Mike Livingston are top 120 guys too.
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Old 03-24-2013, 11:09 AM   #891
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Blackledge and Croyle: the only QBs they've drafted in the first 120 picks of the draft.
It doesn't stop there though. Every quarterback they've drafted has been a failure, regardless of round. If we're going to live by the "insanity definition" that pawnbroker mentioned, we should probably never draft another QB in any round. Of course, I don't subscribe to that theory or, for that matter, to that definition of insanity.
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Old 03-24-2013, 11:22 AM   #892
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Mike Elkins, Steve Fuller, David Jaynes, and Mike Livingston are top 120 guys too.
Just out of curiosity, I looked up the profootballreference.com weighted career average values of several Chiefs QBs. I included every QB since the move to KC who started a majority of games in a season or who was the starter going into a season. Here's how they lined up:

Len Dawson 110
Mike Livingston 43
Steve Fuller 29
Bill Kenney 51
Todd Blackledge 12
Steve DeBerg 79
Dave Krieg 98
Joe Montana 123
Steve Bono 32
Elvis Grbac 46
Rich Gannon 99
Trent Green 94
Damon Huard 19
Tyler Thigpen 10
Brodie Croyle 2
Matt Cassel 39

Gannon, Montana and Krieg's numbers are a little misleading since they all had their best years elsewhere (as did Matt Cassel to some extent).
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What if you throw in trades for draft picks. Montana and Green where the best QBs in the last few decades. They gave firsts for them. Grbac, Cassel... **** it to lazy to waste the tiem.
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Not to mention zero playoff wins since 93
Not a small insignificant stat.
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The Chiefs had the most wins of any team in the 90s. That is more than any of those other teams can say.
That's not even true. They had the most wins for a team without a championship. Chiefs had 101 wins. 49ers had 113, Bills 103, Cowboys tied us for 101. Those teams were all in the Super Bowl. Rams only won a third of their games but had a SB championship season.
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The Chiefs have had success with retreads. Every QB the Chiefs have ever drafted has been a bust of one degree or another.
Not one of those retreads took them to the Super Bowl. You can't go through your whole history hoping to get the second coming of Len Dawson, the ultimate retread.
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And have about te fewest wins of any team since.
That's not true either. We're around 24th.
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Not one of those retreads took them to the Super Bowl. You can't go through your whole history hoping to get the second coming of Len Dawson, the ultimate retread.
The only QB to get the Chiefs to the super bowl was a retread. You might call him the first coming of Len Dawson.
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