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View Poll Results: Can you chose to hope Reid/Dorsey have a sound plan?
They seems to have a good plan 96 29.09%
Benefit of doubt until proven otherwise 158 47.88%
Those guys have proven to be failures 2 0.61%
Their moves so far cause me great concern that they are inept 46 13.94%
Screw this team 24 7.27%
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Old 03-14-2013, 03:56 PM  
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The constant negativity is tiresome. Who is ready to join me and move on?

I'm finding this constant negativity tiresome. We have sucked for years. We were an embarrassment. A big ****ing joke. I'm done with the negativity.

I wanted Geno. I think we overpaid for Smith. I'm scratching my head over some of their moves.

Reid and Dorsey obviously have a plan. For crissakes, Reid watched every down of every player for the whole ****ing year before he even met with Clark. I'm going to give them AT LEAST a half a season before I start calling them dumb-asses and screaming for their head.

I don't think I'm accepting mediocrity by choosing to not scream and yell and be totally pissed off by the moves so far. If you think so, you are entitled to you opinion.

I was an early and financial supporter of SOC. Season ticket holder for years. I think anyone would label me a hard core Chiefs fan. Just like most of the posters on this board. We deserve better than we have been given by our team. I will be a Chiefs fan until I become worm food. Lifes too short to go around pissed all the time. I did enough of that the last few years.

I'm going to chose to hope that Reid and Dorseys plan is sound and will result in the return of winning football and our first playoff win since the Montana era. Who's with me?

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Old 04-27-2013, 11:14 AM   #946
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Why do you keep comparing him to Cassel? Has Cassel won a playoff game? Go on ill wait! Secondly was Matt Cassel accurate when throwing the ball? From what i recall Matt Cassel checked down alot too. None of these things Alex Smith does actually last year he was the most accurate passer when throwing balls over 20 yards. Where was Cassel? Last in the QBR rating so hmmmm that is interesting! So i see people put up the stats of Matt and Alex for there whole career. You heard of the saying it isn't what you did for me in the past its what you did for me lately. Yes the stats our almost identical overall. I wont argue Alex started off rough for his first 3 years, but as you can see that he was the best QB before he got his concussion last year. Put him in a system he knows keep him healthy and you got a gamer. That never gives up and wins big games. If it wasn't for a fumble he would of been in the superbowl as well! So before you say he sucks get your facts straight because numbers never lie!

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You are a ****ing colossal idiot homer trufan. Alex is garbage and will revert back to form here. Just like cassel did, but ignore the fact that cassels only good year was against the easiest schedule in a decade and got raped against any other playoff teams.

Ignore the fact that besides their numbers being identical but alex throwing for less 300 yard games then limpdickarm cassel that alex only appeared to get better when they built an allstar team around him on both sides.

Good qbs elevate those around them. Not a ****ing team elevating the qb to look like a game manager.

Going to be so enjoyable watching some of you idiots in disbelief when we win 7 or less games this year ask why we keep losing. You better pray for charles and hali to have mvp like years.
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Old 04-27-2013, 11:15 AM   #947
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I don't know how people can watch regime after regime come in and make the exact same mistakes, yet sit back and say they have a master plan, they've been doing this longer than you have, blah blah, and not be at least a little pissed off. Sure, it doesn't do any good to throw stuff at your TV and kick the dog, but if you can't see that the formula of retread QB + draft OL high doesn't work in the NFL, you're really not paying attention.

Maybe this was REALLY the one year to play it safe and maybe this staff is the one that really know what they're doing, but I think it's pretty understandable that people are tired of watching the same old shit and being forced to sit back and hope it works out, as opposed to being given something to look forward to.
Yup. We continue to make the same signings and drafting that we have in the 90's. We continue to desire playing some outdated brand of football. Retread QBs and taking lineman with 1st round picks. How anyone can sit back and say, well let's just give this regime a chance even though they are using the same failed formula for 20 years is beyond me? Nothing they are doing tells me this team is serious about winning a Superbowl, or even one measly playoff game.
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Old 04-27-2013, 11:16 AM   #948
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Alex Smith throws more short passes than Matt Cassel.

100 percent fact.

Only 1 QB in the league throws the ball short more than Alex Smith.

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Whenever I talk about this everyone always brings up his 7.9 ypa.
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Old 04-27-2013, 11:39 AM   #949
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Whenever I talk about this everyone always brings up his 7.9 ypa.
Counter with his 24th ranked 11.4 YPC, which makes Cassel and Damon Huard look like gunslingers.
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Old 04-27-2013, 03:01 PM   #950
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I am right there with you on this! I have seen more urgency with the new regime then i saw at anytime with *****. Just let them do there job and support there decisions. They have done this way longer than you have. Also can we shut up about Alex Smith. If the coach wanted him and thinks he can turn him into something great shut up about it. He is our quarterback deal with it! I like the picks we have made so far we were trash on offense last year. Could of get the steal of the draft in Kelce I watched him personally last year. My friend plays for Cincy so he should know. He said you are getting a stud and a tenacious blocker! So lets get behind this team and stop with all this negativity!
It's hard to "deal with it" when we have seen this dog and pony show before. Several times. We keep hoping this time will be different but it never is.

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since the draft its been back to the constant negativitsm. Its like they know for sure that this may all fail. We will will suck just as bad as last year. This era is going to suck balls, for sure. No doubt.

My point is that may be the way it turns out but I don't see any reason we to continue to have the constant negativism. I and most on here are stuck with this team, their decisions and being a fan of this crappy team that I hope someday turns into a winner.
With the exception of my complete lack of faith in Alex Smith, I am done complaining about the franchise for now. I will say that Alex is going to have to seriously impress me this year to have any chance of winning me over. BUT, I support the franchise and hope they prove me wrong and win a bunch of games. My prediction for the season still stands though and that is not a negative thing, just my honest opinion of where the team is right now. Still an improvement over last year.
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It's hard to "deal with it" when we have seen this dog and pony show before. Several times. We keep hoping this time will be different but it never is.
I know. You get the feeling you have seen this movie before.
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With the exception of my complete lack of faith in Alex Smith, I am done complaining about the franchise for now. I will say that Alex is going to have to seriously impress me this year to have any chance of winning me over. BUT, I support the franchise and hope they prove me wrong and win a bunch of games. My prediction for the season still stands though and that is not a negative thing, just my honest opinion of where the team is right now. Still an improvement over last year.
Just like I've been saying the whole thread.....It's not all rainbows and roses. However, why spend all of your time bitching and moaning about something that you can't change.
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If it's effective, who are you, me, or anybody else to call it abuse? I worked with a guy back in Moberly who would shove a finger up his son's ass each time he had anything worse than a C on his report card. If he came home with 2 D's and an F, that's 3 fingers (and this was a big dude). Does that sound hideous and disgusting? Absolutely. Did the kid ever get anything worse than a C after this rule was implemented? Not a chance.

I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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Old 04-28-2013, 02:43 PM   #954
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Instead, Dorsey and Reid have chosen to "win-now" with a proven game manager and a defensive core that is good, but not great, and is aging rapidly.
Yep, my take too. In their opinion, there was no QOTF to build an NFL team around. So, they took more of a win now approach.
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If it's effective, who are you, me, or anybody else to call it abuse? I worked with a guy back in Moberly who would shove a finger up his son's ass each time he had anything worse than a C on his report card. If he came home with 2 D's and an F, that's 3 fingers (and this was a big dude). Does that sound hideous and disgusting? Absolutely. Did the kid ever get anything worse than a C after this rule was implemented? Not a chance.

I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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I know. You get the feeling you have seen this movie before.
Just like I've been saying the whole thread.....It's not all rainbows and roses. However, why spend all of your time bitching and moaning about something that you can't change.

It's tough because we had the number one pick in the draft and there was no QB. And since we're the Chiefs it stings even more. That pretty much took the shine off of anything else good that could happen. However I'm feeling optimistic at this point. I feel pretty confident that this team will not come out and look like the Keystone Cops the first two weeks of the season.
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Why do you keep comparing him to Cassel? Has Cassel won a playoff game? Go on ill wait! Secondly was Matt Cassel accurate when throwing the ball? From what i recall Matt Cassel checked down alot too. None of these things Alex Smith does actually last year he was the most accurate passer when throwing balls over 20 yards. Where was Cassel? Last in the QBR rating so hmmmm that is interesting! So i see people put up the stats of Matt and Alex for there whole career. You heard of the saying it isn't what you did for me in the past its what you did for me lately. Yes the stats our almost identical overall. I wont argue Alex started off rough for his first 3 years, but as you can see that he was the best QB before he got his concussion last year. Put him in a system he knows keep him healthy and you got a gamer. That never gives up and wins big games. If it wasn't for a fumble he would of been in the superbowl as well! So before you say he sucks get your facts straight because numbers never lie!

http://youtu.be/7rpkNW3yap8
You make 2 arguments that were among the staples of the Alexsexuals over the entire Harbaugh era. For the trifecta, don't forget to cite the 2011 Saints Divisional game.

Your first argument is that Alex is accurate passing over 20 yards.

Alex is efficient passing over 20 yards. Don't mistake efficiency for accuracy. Drew Brees is accurate over 20 yards. Aaron Rodgers is accurate over 20 yards. Alex Smith is efficient over 20 yards.

Alex Smith is efficient over 20 yards because Alex Smith is selective over 20 yards. He generally won't throw the ball over 20 yards unless his intended receiver is wide open with Defenders playing well off him.

If a QB throws one pass in his career and it is caught over 20 yards away, he has a career efficiency of 100% completion ratio over 20 yards. That says nothing about how accurate he is. Mabye the receiver had to leap or slide for the ball. Efficiency is not accuracy.

Your second argument is from the vid, spouting QBR and again completion %. QBR is nice and accounts for Alex's exceptional ball security of late, which should be a huge asset toward Chiefs wins. Turnover ratio is the #1 indicator of wins and losses, and Alex doesn't turn it over. No wonder Reid likes that about him.

But again your argument is all about efficiency. What about production? What about yards per game? What about TDs per game? What about sustaining drives passing? 3rd down conversions? Red zone scores?

QBR takes some of that into account, better than the traditional passer rating does, but still rewards efficiency over production.

Yes, Alex is really efficient. Now if he was productive, if he completed 30 passes a game, if he could post 4,000 yards in a season, then his efficiency would be a wonderful asset. Maybe Andy Reid will get that from him.

Meanwhile, your argument is one we heard for 2 years under Harbaugh from the Alexsexuals on the 49er forum. They all wanted to proclaim his lofty efficiency but then make nothing but Alexcuses over his lack of production.
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It is amazing reading the polls for everything. You would think reading CP all these years that everyone was Negative Nancies and thought the end of the world was here. Then you realize it is a just a vocal miniority that rule the roost here. They aren't the voice of the Chiefs fanbase but of CP. It drives them crazy that 90-95% of the fanbase are "True Fans". Funny I must say.
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I don't think the consistent naysayers are stupid or idiots. For the most part, they have legitimate opinions and reasons for their opinions.

But, we just don't need to hear that same opinion in every thread.
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I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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