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Old 03-15-2013, 09:28 PM  
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Rand Paul Introduces ‘Life at Conception Act’
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...onception-act/
Kentucky Senator Rand Paul on Thursday introduced the “Life At Conception Act,” saying that the “right to life is guaranteed to all Americans.”

“I plan to ensure this is upheld,” the Republican senator added.

“Sen. Paul introduced S.583, a bill that would implement equal protection under the 14th Amendment for the right to life of each born and unborn human,” the senator’s office said, per a press release.

“This legislation does not amend or interpret the Constitution, but simply relies on the 14th Amendment, which specifically authorizes Congress to enforce its provisions,” his office adds.

Here is what Section 1 of the 14th Amendment states:
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
The bill has 15 cosponsors (all Republican) including Sens. John Barrasso (Wyo.), John Boozman (Ark.), Richard Burr (N.C.), Daniel Coats (Ind.), Thomas Coburn (Okla.), Michael Enzi (Wyo.), Deb Fischer (Neb.), Charles “Chuck” Grassley (Iowa), John Hoeven (N.D.), James “Jim” Inhofe (Okla.), Mike Johanns (Neb.), Jerry Moran (Kan.), James Risch (Idaho), John Thune (S.D.), and Roger Wicker (Miss.)

“The Life at Conception Act legislatively declares what most Americans believe and what science has long known — that human life begins at the moment of conception, and therefore is entitled to legal protection,” Sen. Paul said.

“The right to life is guaranteed to all Americans in the Declaration of Independence and ensuring this is upheld is the Constitutional duty of all Members of Congress,” he added.





Senator Rand PaulVerified account@SenRandPaul Introduced Life at Conception Act. The right to life is guaranteed to all Americans & I plan to ensure this is upheld.


http://www.paul.senate.gov/files/documents/LCA.pdf
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Old 03-17-2013, 01:32 AM   #151
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Old 03-17-2013, 09:18 AM   #152
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It was years until my kids could survive outside the womb.
For many Jewish families a fetus isn't viable until it graduates Law School.
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Old 03-17-2013, 10:36 AM   #153
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Well, sure.

But most atheists pay attention to science, which is the guiding force in MOST abortion legislation worldwide.

There's a strong correlation between religious beliefs, and especially Christianity, and an anti-choice stance. YOu're not denying that, are you?
Are you refuting my point or not?
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Old 03-17-2013, 10:43 AM   #154
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A baby has survived outside of the mother's womb at less than 22 weeks. Would you support abortion at 22 weeks?
You can find a few cases - worldwide - where a child has survived at that point. You're talking one in millions situations, though. And in the cases I've seen like that, there's so debate about the way they're counting the weeks.

It's my understanding the correct medical way to track "weeks" is from the mother's previous menstrual cycle. On average, this adds two weeks to the start of the pregnancy (so at 6 weeks, that includes two weeks between period and implantation, and it has actually only been 4 weeks since the egg was fertilized).

92 percent of abortions in the U.S. are performed at or before 12 weeks (or 10 weeks since the actual fertilization/implantation). There are VERY few abortions performed at 22 weeks (and generally are done in extreme cases, such as danger to the mother/non-viable fetus, etc).
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Old 03-17-2013, 01:58 PM   #155
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Welfare is not opportunity. Welfare encourages dependency and encourages people to not take advantage of opportunity. I wasn't deprived any opportunity because we didn't have a lot of money.
Your story is an anecdotal example in the system as a whole. My grandfather, the type of welfare recipient of which you are referring, never looked or found any opportunity. But without the food stamps he received, my father nor his siblings would have had any food. My father ended up being the first college graduate in his family, and pulled himself out of his meager economic origins.
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Old 03-17-2013, 02:56 PM   #156
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Your story is an anecdotal example in the system as a whole. My grandfather, the type of welfare recipient of which you are referring, never looked or found any opportunity. But without the food stamps he received, my father nor his siblings would have had any food. My father ended up being the first college graduate in his family, and pulled himself out of his meager economic origins.
Opportuity? You mean work right? Gramps was a lazy bum.
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Old 03-17-2013, 06:37 PM   #157
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Opportuity? You mean work right? Gramps was a lazy bum.
Good catch, that's exactly what I meant. What I was getting at is that Gramps specialized in ignoring or quashing any opportunity that crossed his path.
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Old 03-17-2013, 08:05 PM   #158
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Stay the hell out of my life! ... But tell women what the hell to do with their bodies! Medical science might disagree with my assertions, but the sky fairy I believe in tells me its true!
This isn't an inconsistency. Libertarians have no trouble telling people what they can and can't do with their bodies when those actions impact the freedoms of someone else, nor should they. For instance, you're not allowed to swing your arms wildly in a tightly packed assembly of people when to do so would lead to unwanted contact between you and your neighbors.

Medical science doesn't have an answer for this. Medical science can indicate what's going on biologically with the zygote, the fetus, the newborn, and the adult, but it's up to people to define when that entity constitutes a life for the purpose of our legal system. You're welcome to your own opinion on this, but you're not entitled to dictate any more than Rand Paul is.
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A fetus isn't a human being? OK, then this shouldn't upset anyone.



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Old 03-18-2013, 05:29 PM   #160
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A fetus isn't a human being? OK, then this shouldn't upset anyone.

Or does it?
Your post has so much fail in it that I am actually having a tough time deciding exactly how I want to point out the fail. Since the legislation specifically refers to a zygote rather than a fetus, your post containing a pic of a fetus doesn't in any way address the point. So I could go with:

A strawman argument is dishonest, so this pic shouldn't upset you.




Or I could go with:

A zygote isn't a human being? OK, then this shouldn't upset anyone.




Or I could go with:

So a zygote is a citizen? I guess now those illegals simply have to **** on our soil to gain citizenship for their kids, right?
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:38 PM   #161
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A fetus isn't a human being? OK, then this shouldn't upset anyone.



Or does it?
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:29 PM   #162
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Your post has so much fail in it that I am actually having a tough time deciding exactly how I want to point out the fail. Since the legislation specifically refers to a zygote rather than a fetus, your post containing a pic of a fetus doesn't in any way address the point. So I could go with:

A strawman argument is dishonest, so this pic shouldn't upset you.




Or I could go with:

A zygote isn't a human being? OK, then this shouldn't upset anyone.




Or I could go with:

So a zygote is a citizen? I guess now those illegals simply have to **** on our soil to gain citizenship for their kids, right?
So you're ready to go on record and acknowledge that a fetus is a human being?

Or are you going to continue to be a moral coward and hide behind semantics
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I'm sure this has been brought up, but Rand's dad was a baby delivery doc for many years.
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:00 PM   #165
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So you're ready to go on record and acknowledge that a fetus is a human being?

Or are you going to continue to be a moral coward and hide behind semantics
Are you ready to address the topic of the thread? Or are you going to continue to ignore biology?
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