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Old 04-13-2013, 07:59 AM  
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U.S. tells N.Korea new missile launch would be "huge mistake"

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SEOUL (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry warned North Korea on Friday it would be a "huge mistake" to test launch a medium-range missile and said the United States would never accept the reclusive country as a nuclear power.
Addressing reporters after talks with South Korea's president and leaders of the 28,000-strong U.S. military contingent in the country, Kerry also said it was up to China, North Korea's sole major ally, to "put some teeth" into efforts to press Pyongyang to abandon its nuclear ambitions.
Kerry, like other U.S. officials, played down an assessment from the Pentagon's intelligence agency that the North already had a nuclear missile capacity.
The United States, he said, wanted to resume talks about North Korea's earlier pledges to halt its nuclear programme.
But he also stressed that Washington would defend its allies in the region if necessary and pointedly said that Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, "needs to understand, as I think he probably does, what the outcome of a conflict would be".
North Korea has repeatedly said it will not abandon nuclear weapons which it said on Friday were its "treasured" guarantor of security.
Kerry's visit coincided with preparations for Monday's anniversary of North Korean state founder Kim Il-Sung's birth date, a possible pretext for a show of strength, with speculation focusing on a possible new missile test launch.
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Kerry, who flies to China on Saturday and to Japan on Sunday, said that if North Korea's 30-year-old leader went ahead with the launch, "he will be choosing, wilfully, to ignore the entire international community".
"I would say ahead of time that it is a huge mistake for him to choose to do that because it will further isolate his country and further isolate his people, who frankly are desperate for food, not missile launches."
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The North has issued weeks of shrill threats of an impending war following the imposition of U.N. sanctions in response to its third nuclear test in February. Kerry said the threats were "simply unacceptable" by any standard.
"We are all united in the fact that North Korea will not be accepted as a nuclear power," he said.
Kerry later told U.S. executives in Seoul that China, as an advocate of denuclearisation, was in a position to press for a change in the North's policy.
"The reality is that if your policy is denuclearisation and it is theirs as it is ours, as it is everybody's except the North at this moment ... if that's your policy, you've got to put some teeth into it," he told the gathering.
But North Korea showed little inclination for further talks.
Rodong Sinmun, the mouthpiece of the ruling Workers' Party, said Pyongyang would never abandon its nuclear programme.
"The DPRK will hold tighter the treasured sword, nuclear weapons," it said, referring to the country by its official name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
BIRTHDAY CELEBRATIONS
North Korean state television showed footage of newscasts from other countries depicting the trajectory a North Korean missile launch might take.
It also showed preparations for the Kim Il-Sung birthday festivities, including floral tributes, and a stadium of thousands of school children of the Korean Children's Union, each wearing a red scarf and saluting and marching in unison.
Speculation has mounted of an impending medium-range missile test launch in the North after reports in South Korea and the United States that as many as five medium-range missiles have been moved into position on the country's east coast.
Officials in both countries believe the North is preparing to test-launch a Musudan missile, whose range of 3,500 km (2,100 miles) or more would put Japan within striking distance and may threaten the island of Guam, which houses U.S. military bases.
The North has been angry about annual military drills between U.S. and South Korean forces, describing them as a "hostile" act. The United States dispatched B52 and B2 stealth bombers from their bases to take part.
Hours before Kerry's arrival, a U.S. lawmaker quoted a report by the U.S. Defence Intelligence Agency, one of the 17 bodies that make up the U.S. intelligence community, as saying it had "moderate confidence" that North Korea had developed a nuclear bomb that could be fitted on a ballistic missile.
But Kerry poured cold water on the report said it was "inaccurate to suggest that the DPRK has fully tested, developed capabilities" as set down in the document.
South Korea's Defence Ministry said it did not believe North Korea could mount a nuclear warhead on a missile.
A U.S. official had earlier suggested that Washington's greatest concern was the possibility of unexpected developments linked to Kim Jong-un's "youth and inexperience". Asked if war seemed imminent, he replied: "Not at all."
South Korean President Park Geun-hye, meeting officials from her ruling Saenuri Party before her talks with Kerry, struck a conciliatory note by suggesting Seoul should at least listen to what North Korea had to say.
"We have a lot of issues, including the Kaesong industrial zone," local media quoted her as saying. So should we not meet with them and ask: "Just what are you trying to do?'"
The president was referring to North Korea's closure this week of the jointly run Kaesong industrial park, with the loss of 53,000 jobs.
Kerry said the United States would not object to the South talking to the North. He also did not rule out the possibility of U.S. aid some day flowing to the North, but suggested this could only happen if Pyongyang undertook real denuclearisation.
Kerry sounded upbeat about resolving a dispute between the United States and South Korea over a civil nuclear cooperation agreement that expires next year, saying he thought a compromise could be found by Park's visit to Washington next month.
South Korea is believed to want the right to reprocess its spent nuclear fuel, which would allow it to deal with a mounting stockpile of nuclear waste.
However, this could also allow it to produce bomb-grade fissile material, a step Washington is loathe to see it take in part because of its nuclear standoffs with Iran and North Korea.
"We are ... very concerned at this time about not having any ingredients that could alter our approach ... to either of those," he said. But Kerry added that he was "confident that one option or another will be able to come to fruition (with South Korea) by the time that President Park comes to Washington."*
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Old 04-13-2013, 08:13 AM   #2
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Old 04-13-2013, 09:43 AM   #3
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the funny part is, there is no publicized comm between china & USA throughout this ordeal. It's as if this remark to china's responsibilities is off the cuff, not front and center.

The USA & china are sewn together tightly, yet our leaders can't seem to talk with them.
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Old 04-13-2013, 10:28 AM   #4
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They were talking on the news last nigth on how the North would raise the missiles into launch position, and then drop them down, over and over.

At this point, North Korea is doing its best "let's fake a play on fourth and short to see if the other team jumps offsides so we get a fresh set of downs" routine.
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Old 04-13-2013, 10:45 AM   #5
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They were talking on the news last nigth on how the North would raise the missiles into launch position, and then drop them down, over and over.

At this point, North Korea is doing its best "let's fake a play on fourth and short to see if the other team jumps offsides so we get a fresh set of downs" routine.
If you look at the history of North Korea their sabre rattling has worked very well in their favor of having the 'big boys' appease them to keep them quiet. Best thing to do, imho, is to ignore them with a large boot ready for ass insertion.
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Old 04-13-2013, 10:51 AM   #6
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If you look at the history of North Korea their sabre rattling has worked very well in their favor of having the 'big boys' appease them to keep them quiet. Best thing to do, imho, is to ignore them with a large boot ready for ass insertion.
Agreed, but the North sure does have a strange way of asking for help. This kind of thing worked well in decades past, but you start throwing the nuclear option around, and all it does is piss people off, including their own staunch ally.

I'm still of the mind that the instant one of the missiles goes hot, it's going to explode before it travels any significant amount of range down theater, and it won't be because of faulty maintenance.
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Old 04-13-2013, 11:01 AM   #7
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Yep, There's a solid chance they will be destroyed with their own missile.
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Old 04-13-2013, 11:18 AM   #8
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A former North Korean spy who bombed a South Korean airliner said Wednesday that the North's leader Kim Jong-Un is struggling to control his military and using war talk to shore up support.

Kim Hyun-Hee, who said she was ordered by Jong-Un's father Kim Jong-Il to bomb the airliner in 1987 killing 115 people, said she believes the son is still trying to establish himself following his father's death in December 2011.

"Kim Jong-Un is too young and too inexperienced," she told Australia's ABC television in an exclusive interview from Seoul, where she lives at an undisclosed location surrounded by bodyguards.

"He's struggling to gain complete control over the military and to win their loyalty. That's why he's doing so many visits to military bases, to firm up support."

The North has been turning up the rhetoric for weeks and on Tuesday reiterated a warning that the Korean peninsula was headed for "thermo-nuclear" war, advising foreigners to consider leaving South Korea.

Kim Hyun-Hee told ABC there was method in the North Koreans' madness in threatening thermo-nuclear war.

"North Korea is using its nuclear programme to keep its people in line and to push South Korea and the United States for concessions," said Kim, who was captured after boarding the doomed 1987 plane in Baghdad.




She got off during a stopover in the Gulf, leaving a time bomb in an overhead compartment, but was arrested with another agent when they tried to leave Bahrain using fake Japanese passports.

Both immediately swallowed cyanide capsules. The man died almost instantly but Kim survived and was brought to Seoul, where she confessed and was eventually pardoned.

Kim published a book entitled "Tears of My Soul" describing her training at a North Korean spy school, and donated the proceeds to families of victims of the bombing.

She married one of her security guards and now lives in Seoul, still fearful that North Korean assassins could strike at any time, ABC said.


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Old 04-13-2013, 12:29 PM   #9
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Okay, does it bother anyone else that NK claims "thermonuclear war," unless they mean others waging that against them?
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Old 04-13-2013, 12:34 PM   #10
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Okay, does it bother anyone else that NK claims "thermonuclear war," unless they mean others waging that against them?
You mean them implying that others will wage thermonuclear war FOR them against their enemies?
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Old 04-13-2013, 12:43 PM   #11
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You mean them implying that others will wage thermonuclear war FOR them against their enemies?
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The North has been turning up the rhetoric for weeks and on Tuesday reiterated a warning that the Korean peninsula was headed for "thermo-nuclear" war

Is that NK threatening thermonuclear war, or just that's where the peninsula is heading? If its the former, they either don't know the difference between weapons, or they do and are lying.
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The North has been turning up the rhetoric for weeks and on Tuesday reiterated a warning that the Korean peninsula was headed for "thermo-nuclear" war

Is that NK threatening thermonuclear war, or just that's where the peninsula is heading? If its the former, they either don't know the difference between weapons, or they do and are lying.
I think they are using the term "thermonuclear war" for shock value, nothing more. Even if they somehow nuked Seoul or Tokyo, I just can't imagine we would respond in kind against Pyongyang. China would probably take control of the situation at that point and do a little quality control. If not, we'd probably invade, along with most other Pacific Rim countries.

I think the very last thing the US or anyone wants is to have nukes flying across the Pacific region.
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I think they are using the term "thermonuclear war" for shock value, nothing more. Even if they somehow nuked Seoul or Tokyo, I just can't imagine we would respond in kind against Pyongyang. China would probably take control of the situation at that point and do a little quality control. If not, we'd probably invade, along with most other Pacific Rim countries.

I think the very last thing the US or anyone wants is to have nukes flying across the Pacific region.
Well, yeah, and that's why it bothers me. There's a rather large difference (technically and a few other things) between a fission weapon and a fusion weapon.
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Well, yeah, and that's why it bothers me. There's a rather large difference (technically and a few other things) between a fission weapon and a fusion weapon.
How many thermonuclear warheads would it take to remove Korea from the map, essentially? Four? Five?
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How many thermonuclear warheads would it take to remove Korea from the map, essentially? Four? Five?
Depends on the yield and how the weapons are detonated, really. Our standard warhead is a thermonuclear (fusion) weapon with a yield of ~500 kilotons, say about 30 times the yield of Little Boy. That'll basically wipe out a large city.

But, no, 4 or 5 wouldn't "remove North Korea from the map." It wouldn't be a very pleasant place to live, though, even more so than now.
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