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Old 03-20-2013, 12:46 PM  
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For those of you who rejoice in History Channel's Satan/Obama equivalency,...

...here's a little dose of REALITY:

Iraq War vet pens ‘last letter’ to Bush and Cheney

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...154541674.html
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Old 04-08-2013, 12:45 PM   #91
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It really is. One of many things that is pathetic about them.
And atl least Halliburton actually provided a service.
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Old 04-08-2013, 02:00 PM   #92
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Cheney didn't benefit from any impacts of the Iraq War (or any other Bush-era government contracts) on Halliburton. To the extent that he received any deferred compensation after taking office, the amount was fixed prior to his election. To the extent that he had options which would have been impacted by Halliburton's business fortunes after his election, those proceeds were irrevocably donated to charity prior to his election. Like I said before, Cheney didn't make anything off the Iraq war through Halliburton (or any other direct relationship that you could point to).

You don't know what you're talking about.
LOL... sure pat...

That's why Senators were calling for government investigation on Cheney's involvement with Haliburton when he was VP. Time magazine found e-mails making the connection.

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Cheney's relationship with Halliburton has been nothing but trouble since he left the company in 2000. Both he and the company say they have no ongoing connections. But TIME has obtained an internal Pentagon e-mail sent by an Army Corps of Engineers official—whose name was blacked out by the Pentagon—that raises questions about Cheney's arm's-length policy toward his old employer. Dated March 5, 2003, the e-mail says "action" on a multibillion-dollar Halliburton contract was "coordinated" with Cheney's office. The e-mail says Douglas Feith, a high-ranking Pentagon hawk, got the "authority to execute RIO," or Restore Iraqi Oil, from his boss, who is Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz. RIO is one of several large contracts the U.S. awarded to Halliburton last year.

The e-mail says Feith approved arrangements for the contract "contingent on informing WH [White House] tomorrow. We anticipate no issues since action has been coordinated w VP's [Vice President's] office." Three days later, the Army Corps of Engineers gave Halliburton the contract, without seeking other bids. TIME located the e-mail among documents provided by Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog group.

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Cheney is linked to his old firm in at least one other way. His recently filed 2003 financial-disclosure form reveals that Halliburton last year invoked an insurance policy to indemnify Cheney for what could be steep legal bills "arising from his service" at the company. Past and present Halliburton execs face an array of potentially costly litigation, including multibillion-dollar asbestos claims.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...#ixzz2Ptzw43r5
Which White House officials acknowledged, but said the mission took priority over fallout from Cheney's involvement.

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The report noted that some government officials raised the concern of a potential conflict of interest because of Cheney's former position with Halliburton, but that "White House officials said the mission took priority over whatever political fallout might occur"

Source: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ing-history-s/

And here's the report they're talking about, submitted by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction who confirmed a clear conflict of interest with Cheney's involvement with Haliburton as the VP. When he was supposed to have severed all ties with the company..

http://www.sigir.mil/applyinghardlessons/index.html

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Old 04-08-2013, 02:02 PM   #93
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LOL... sure pat...

That's why Senators were calling for government investigation on Cheney's involvement with Haliburton when he was VP. Time magazine found e-mails making the connection.



Which White House officials acknowledged, but said the mission took priority over fallout from Cheney's involvement.




And here's the report they're talking about, submitted by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction who confirmed a clear conflict of interest with Cheney's involvement with Haliburton as the VP. When he was supposed to have severed all ties with the company..

http://www.sigir.mil/applyinghardlessons/index.html

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Old 04-08-2013, 02:41 PM   #94
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LOL... sure pat...

That's why Senators were calling for government investigation on Cheney's involvement with Haliburton when he was VP. Time magazine found e-mails making the connection.



Which White House officials acknowledged, but said the mission took priority over fallout from Cheney's involvement.




And here's the report they're talking about, submitted by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction who confirmed a clear conflict of interest with Cheney's involvement with Haliburton as the VP. When he was supposed to have severed all ties with the company..

http://www.sigir.mil/applyinghardlessons/index.html

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Nice reading comprehension. The white house didn't acknowledge anything.
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Old 04-08-2013, 02:44 PM   #95
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Old 04-08-2013, 02:44 PM   #96
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LOL... sure pat...

That's why Senators were calling for government investigation on Cheney's involvement with Haliburton when he was VP. Time magazine found e-mails making the connection.



Which White House officials acknowledged, but said the mission took priority over fallout from Cheney's involvement.




And here's the report they're talking about, submitted by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction who confirmed a clear conflict of interest with Cheney's involvement with Haliburton as the VP. When he was supposed to have severed all ties with the company..

http://www.sigir.mil/applyinghardlessons/index.html

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This is stupid. You haven't even established a minimalist case for your side of this argument. You've provided no evidence that Dick Cheney profited from any Iraq war contract at all (which is what this was originally about) and you've completely failed to establish that Cheney was responsible for improperly funneling contracts to friends.

In your Time piece above, it describes a contract being established by the Pentagon, not by Cheney. There's nothing in that article to explain what coordinating through the VPs office means, but since you want to believe that the guy is evil you're more than willing to let your imagination do all the work for you. If there was some kind of real impropriety, provide some real evidence.

In the Politifact quote, it's just talking about political implications, not an actual conflict of interest. Again, if you want your claim to rise above the level of the type of moronic conspiracy theory normally embraced by bump or CoMo, show some real evidence that Cheney did something improper.
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Old 04-08-2013, 03:47 PM   #97
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This is stupid. You haven't even established a minimalist case for your side of this argument. You've provided no evidence that Dick Cheney profited from any Iraq war contract at all (which is what this was originally about) and you've completely failed to establish that Cheney was responsible for improperly funneling contracts to friends.

In your Time piece above, it describes a contract being established by the Pentagon, not by Cheney. There's nothing in that article to explain what coordinating through the VPs office means, but since you want to believe that the guy is evil you're more than willing to let your imagination do all the work for you. If there was some kind of real impropriety, provide some real evidence.

In the Politifact quote, it's just talking about political implications, not an actual conflict of interest. Again, if you want your claim to rise above the level of the type of moronic conspiracy theory normally embraced by bump or CoMo, show some real evidence that Cheney did something improper.
According to the federal Office of Government Ethics, Cheney's deferred payments and stock options absolutely did qualify as "Retained ties" to his former employer.

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Democrats pointed out that Cheney receives deferred compensation from Halliburton under an arrangement he made in 1998, and also retains stock options. He has pledged to give after-tax proceeds of the stock options to charity.

Cheney's aides defended the assertion on NBC, saying the financial arrangements do not constitute a tie to the company's business performance. They pointed out that Cheney took out a $15,000 insurance policy so he would collect the deferred payments over five years whether or not Halliburton remains in business.

Lautenberg, D-N.J., asked the Congressional Research Service to weigh in.
Without naming Cheney or Halliburton, the service reported that unexercised stock options and deferred salary "are among those benefits described by the Office of Government Ethics as 'retained ties' or 'linkages' to one's former employer."


Lautenberg said the report makes clear that Cheney does still have financial ties to Halliburton. "I ask the vice president to stop dodging the issue with legalese," Lautenberg said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in575356.shtml
But yeah, I'm sure you'll still say that there's no evidence and it's all just coincidence. Coincidence that Halliburton increased its lobbying by several million when Cheney was running for VP. And coincidence that Halliburton's government contracts increased over 600% after he got the position. Coincidence that in 2000, Halliburton was the 20th largest federal contractor, receiving $763 million in federal contracts. By 2005, Halliburton had grown to become the sixth largest federal contractor, receiving nearly $6 billion in federal contracts during that year. Between March 2003 and June 30, 2006, Halliburton received $18.5 billion in revenue from the federal government for the war in Iraq. The company has seen its profits in government contracting almost quadruple to $330 million in 2005 compared to $84 million in 2004. During one quarter in 2005, Halliburton's war profits skyrocketed by 284 percent.

All that happened while paying Cheney yearly "Deferred" payments. It's certainly clear that nothing shady was going on....
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According to the federal Office of Government Ethics, Cheney's deferred payments and stock options absolutely did qualify as "Retained ties" to his former employer.



But yeah, I'm sure you'll still say that there's no evidence and it's all just coincidence. Coincidence that Halliburton increased its lobbying by several million when Cheney was running for VP. And coincidence that Halliburton's government contracts increased over 600% after he got the position. Coincidence that in 2000, Halliburton was the 20th largest federal contractor, receiving $763 million in federal contracts. By 2005, Halliburton had grown to become the sixth largest federal contractor, receiving nearly $6 billion in federal contracts during that year. Between March 2003 and June 30, 2006, Halliburton received $18.5 billion in revenue from the federal government for the war in Iraq. The company has seen its profits in government contracting almost quadruple to $330 million in 2005 compared to $84 million in 2004. During one quarter in 2005, Halliburton's war profits skyrocketed by 284 percent.

All that happened while paying Cheney yearly "Deferred" payments. It's certainly clear that nothing shady was going on....
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Old 04-08-2013, 04:57 PM   #99
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It's pathetic how moonbats hold on to Halliburton but say nothing about Solyndra.
Yeah Obama and his buddies really lined their pockets from Solyndra.

Apples and oranges.
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According to the federal Office of Government Ethics, Cheney's deferred payments and stock options absolutely did qualify as "Retained ties" to his former employer.



But yeah, I'm sure you'll still say that there's no evidence and it's all just coincidence. Coincidence that Halliburton increased its lobbying by several million when Cheney was running for VP. And coincidence that Halliburton's government contracts increased over 600% after he got the position. Coincidence that in 2000, Halliburton was the 20th largest federal contractor, receiving $763 million in federal contracts. By 2005, Halliburton had grown to become the sixth largest federal contractor, receiving nearly $6 billion in federal contracts during that year. Between March 2003 and June 30, 2006, Halliburton received $18.5 billion in revenue from the federal government for the war in Iraq. The company has seen its profits in government contracting almost quadruple to $330 million in 2005 compared to $84 million in 2004. During one quarter in 2005, Halliburton's war profits skyrocketed by 284 percent.

All that happened while paying Cheney yearly "Deferred" payments. It's certainly clear that nothing shady was going on....
Why do you keep avoiding the real issue of whether Cheney actually benefitted from Halliburton during his time as VP? Is it because you know he didn't and you're trying to deceive people or is it because you can't understand the things your google searches turn up?

I take it that you don't understand deferred payments. Nothing Cheney did or could have done as VP was going to effect how much his deferred compensation was going to be. It was already earned and the amount was already defined.

Give it up or show something that proves Cheney either benefitted personally or that he improperly benefitted Halliburton. You can't do it because it didn't happen. All you can do is string together a bunch of conspiratorial pseudo-connections and leave it to the imagination to fill in the blanks. Alex Jones type stuff. You shame yourself.
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Why do you keep avoiding the real issue of whether Cheney actually benefitted from Halliburton during his time as VP? Is it because you know he didn't and you're trying to deceive people or is it because you can't understand the things your google searches turn up?

I take it that you don't understand deferred payments. Nothing Cheney did or could have done as VP was going to effect how much his deferred compensation was going to be. It was already earned and the amount was already defined.

Give it up or show something that proves Cheney either benefitted personally or that he improperly benefitted Halliburton. You can't do it because it didn't happen. All you can do is string together a bunch of conspiratorial pseudo-connections and leave it to the imagination to fill in the blanks. Alex Jones type stuff. You shame yourself.
Well... Cheney was no dummy. When he took over Halliburton, he shipped most of the Halliburton equity to tax havens out of the US to avoid US taxes, evidenced by the fact that Halliburtun went from paying $302M in company taxes in 1998, to getting a refund of $85M in 1999. That's fact.

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During Dick Cheney's tenure as Halliburton's CEO, the number of company subsidiaries located in offshore tax havens increased from 9 (in 1995) to 44 (in 1999). One of these subsidiaries (Halliburton Products and Services Ltd.), was incorporated in the Caiman Islands, and was used to get around sanctions on doing business in Iran. (Erwin Seba, Reuters, March 20, 2003)

When Halliburton announced it was relocating its corporate headquarters from Houston to Dubai, critics suggested the move might help the company avoid paying its fair share of taxes.

Martin Sullivan, contributing editor at the nonpartisan Tax Notes magazine, told MSNBC that relocating to the no-tax jurisdiction of Dubai would change Halliburton's tax situation "significantly" even though the company would still be registered in the US. By re-locating its CEO and other top executives to Dubai, Halliburton can argue that a portion of its profits should be attributed to the no-tax jurisdiction, he said.

Members of Congress called for an investigation. Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND) said, "I want to know, is Halliburton trying to run away from bad publicity on their contracts? Are they trying to run away from the obligation to pay US taxes? Or are they trying to set up a corporate presence in Dubai so that they can avoid the restrictions that currently exist on doing business with prohibited countries like Iran?"

Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) said, "This is an insult to the US soldiers and taxpayers who paid the tab for their no-bid contracts and endured their overcharges for all these years."

And Rep. Henry Waxman, chairman of the powerful House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, asked Halliburton to explain the reasons for the move. "I want to understand the ramifications for U.S. taxpayers and national security," he said.

http://www.corpwatch.org/section.php?id=15
Tell me what it is I don't understand. You haven't tried to refute any of what I've said. Cheney left Halliburton with a $20M bonus check in hand. One year after Halliburton experienced a $387M tax return increase from the year before. Fact. Between March 2003 and June 30, 2006, Halliburton received $18.5 billion in revenue from the federal government for the war in Iraq. Fact. The Office of Government Ethics, a federal institution, concluded that unexercised stock options and deferred salary such as what Cheney received "are among those benefits described by the Office of Government Ethics as 'retained ties' or 'linkages' to one's former employer." Fact.

Did Cheney get a direct paycheck from Halliburton after he left, that was in addition to the already established $1M/year "Deferred payment"? Who knows, considering the way Cheney and Halliburton moved finances out of the US market. I'll concede that fact can't be directly proven at this time.
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Did Cheney get a direct paycheck from Halliburton after he left, that was in addition to the already established $1M/year "Deferred payment"? Who knows, considering the way Cheney and Halliburton moved finances out of the US market. I'll concede that fact can't be directly proven at this time.
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Cheney left Halliburton with a $20M bonus check in hand.
$20M wow. Remember when that was alot of money?

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Well... Cheney was no dummy. When he took over Halliburton, he shipped most of the Halliburton equity to tax havens out of the US to avoid US taxes, evidenced by the fact that Halliburtun went from paying $302M in company taxes in 1998, to getting a refund of $85M in 1999. That's fact.



Tell me what it is I don't understand. You haven't tried to refute any of what I've said. Cheney left Halliburton with a $20M bonus check in hand. One year after Halliburton experienced a $387M tax return increase from the year before. Fact. Between March 2003 and June 30, 2006, Halliburton received $18.5 billion in revenue from the federal government for the war in Iraq. Fact. The Office of Government Ethics, a federal institution, concluded that unexercised stock options and deferred salary such as what Cheney received "are among those benefits described by the Office of Government Ethics as 'retained ties' or 'linkages' to one's former employer." Fact.

Did Cheney get a direct paycheck from Halliburton after he left, that was in addition to the already established $1M/year "Deferred payment"? Who knows, considering the way Cheney and Halliburton moved finances out of the US market. I'll concede that fact can't be directly proven at this time.
I haven't tried to refute anything you've said because you haven't said anything. How about you simplify this and tell me exactly what you think you've proven, since you haven't even attempted to address the topic of your in post 81.
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