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Old 03-22-2013, 09:26 AM  
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Chiefs are looking for a 2nd and a pick in 2014 for Albert


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Old 03-22-2013, 10:52 AM   #211
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I'm with you.

Maybe it's a self preservation move but I'd say ever since a few years ago, I just realized that I love the team, I root for them and all but they don't consult me or ask what I would do. I have no say whatsoever. So why take it personally when they lose? And now I don't.

I guess I've grown more apathetic towards the team more so over the years.
Last year I mostly pointed at my tv and laughed. I was really excited to get the #1 pick so I'd have a shiny new QB to watch grow.

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Old 03-22-2013, 10:52 AM   #212
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Or so they think, Stafford really isnt that good. But anyways what does that have to do with this years 2nd?
I was responding to the comment about them being dumb.

And Stafford is good.
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Old 03-22-2013, 10:53 AM   #213
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I explained this earlier dumb dumb. He is the better run blocker than Jockel and they wanted both on the field.
In our offense I'd rather have the guy who has proven to be a better pass blocker.

And he was, as seen by his play.

Joeckel has also never been hurt before to my knowledge. You think Reid and Dorsey are wanting to pay big money to a LT that misses games every season?
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Old 03-22-2013, 10:53 AM   #214
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Picking any LT at 1.1 is a really bad idea.

The player will forever be compared to Albert, and if he's not significantly, better, the pick is a waste.

These assholes better trade down even IF they trade Albert.

Also I'm fairly certain Joeckel is going to be a horrendous run blocker, so that makes Charles less effective.

Woohoo!
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Old 03-22-2013, 10:53 AM   #215
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I was responding to the comment about them being dumb.

And Stafford is good.
Meh, I feel much more confident with Alex.
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Old 03-22-2013, 10:54 AM   #216
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I think they see Joekel as a big upgrade over Albert, not a lateral move as many have suggested.
He better be.

Alex Smith better be a big upgrade over Cassel

(he needs to be Cassel + 2.2 pk worth improvement)

Joeckel better be a big upgrade over albert

(he basically has to be albert + 1.1 pk worth. Is Joeckel worth Albert + Geno Smith?)

If not this offseason has been a gigantic waste of time and Reid/Dorsey can go **** themselves.
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Old 03-22-2013, 10:55 AM   #217
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This is what I've expected all along. A second round pick this year along with a fifth or so at some point. If they can get it, more power to them.

Despite what's been said in this thread, Albert is neither young nor indispensable. He's 28 years old and will turn 29 mid-season. He had issues with back spasms that caused him to miss the better part of five games. No one knows if he can stay healthy for the next five seasons and if not, he is not worth $10 million per year in cap space. That's retarded.

Trading Albert and drafting a Joekel, Fisher or Lane is a calculated risk. But when your new front office is dealing with one of the worst football teams in the NFL over the course of the past 20 years, calculated risks will be necessary from time to time.

Well said. Jockel over the next five years won't cost as much as Albert in the next five.

A second and a third/fourth and I'll forgive the high price paid for Alex.
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Old 03-22-2013, 10:55 AM   #218
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A second in next year's draft and no team is biting...

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Old 03-22-2013, 10:55 AM   #219
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Shut the **** up.

You're the dumb **** that thought that Ricky Stanzi was worth a second round pick in 2011 and recently re-iterated that you'd STILL spend a second rounder on him.

Your player evaluations are ****ing horrible. Your football knowledge is horrible. You make all these crazy assed assumptions every ****ing day, just to hear yourself talk.

You're so divorced from reality that it's not only laughable, it's frightening.
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Old 03-22-2013, 10:56 AM   #220
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He's younger and he's cheaper. But better? You have no proof of that.

Albert is a fringe Pro Bowl Caliber Tackle. He's a proven commodity. Stats would suggest he's a top 10.

So to say Joeckel is better is foolish.

And i doubt they view him as "significantly" better. Clearly, they think Albert is a Franchise Caliber player. If they didn't, they wouldn't Franchise tag him to the tune of nearly 10m.

Sadly, i DO think cost is a significant factor in this move.

But as a fan, why should you care about how much a player costs? Especially after they've already over paid for "meh" players this offseason?

Your concern should be about putting the best product on the field, and swapping a fringe Pro Bowler for a Pro Bowler at best (which I doubt Joeckel will be as long as he's blocking for Alex Smith) is't a significant upgrade.
I'm saying THE CHIEFS think he is better.... you are right, there is no way to know, yet.... just like there is no way to know what Geno will become. But actions speak here... they are going to take him and trade Albert. You can call them stupid, that is fine, but it is obvious to see where there heads are - they think Joeckel is a better player. As for the franchise semantics, lets not pretend like every player tagged is considered "franchise," just because the CBA calls the tag that.
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Old 03-22-2013, 10:56 AM   #221
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In our offense I'd rather have the guy who has proven to be a better pass blocker.

And he was, as seen by his play.

Joeckel has also never been hurt before to my knowledge. You think Reid and Dorsey are wanting to pay big money to a LT that misses games every season?
Well they've already committed to pay him big money, so?


Scouts are already saying Matthews projects to be a better lt prospect than joeckel. Like we all talked about, joeckel a measurablea aren't elite they're average.


There has/ will be a joeckel in about every draft. I don't thin thee is a guy with fishers upside that often
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Old 03-22-2013, 10:58 AM   #222
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Well said. Jockel over the next five years won't cost as much as Albert in the next five.

A second and a third/fourth and I'll forgive the high price paid for Alex.
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Why do you care how much he costs? Is it your money?

And so what if they save 5 mill a year. Does that mean they are going to go out and spend it on some high quality player (as if you could get one for that 5mill....)? The Chiefs have a history of that?
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Old 03-22-2013, 11:00 AM   #223
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If you trade albert for a 2/3 and draft an LT at one all you have done is trade 1.1 for Alex Smith.


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Old 03-22-2013, 11:00 AM   #224
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Well they've already committed to pay him big money, so?


Scouts are already saying Matthews projects to be a better lt prospect than joeckel. Like we all talked about, joeckel a measurablea aren't elite they're average.


There has/ will be a joeckel in about every draft. I don't thin thee is a guy with fishers upside that often
That's understandable and I would love to have Fisher too, but here's what we should realize.

What players in this draft are better pure football players than Joeckel or Fisher?

Those 2 are easily the best in this class.
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Old 03-22-2013, 11:02 AM   #225
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wut is wrong with 31 NFL GM's
Why would they bite? How many LT's have you seen get traded for a 2nd round pick? Honest question, because i can't remember the last one.

LTs can be found in this draft....hell in every draft....Albert was a 17th overall iirc.

Every damn year there is some "elite" lt in the draft. Never fails....it also never fails that that LT is mocked to the Chiefs, lol.

And for the record, i don't think the Chiefs will trade Albert. I also don't think they will draft Joeckel.

If they do draft Joeckel, i think it'll be because they think they can't retain Albert, not because they think Joeckel is significantly better.

It smells like a cost cutting move.
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