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Old 03-23-2013, 03:29 PM  
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Expectations and Alex Smith

Just curious. Inspired by the ongoing thread about "Geno fan" expectations, and I'm curious what the thinking is on the other side of the fence. What do people expect out of Alex Smith over the next, let's say, 2-5 years? Specifics, even, yardage and TDs, wins and losses, offensive rankings, etc. This is not a thread with an agenda, I'm genuinely curious what people think, so let's try to keep this from turning into snipe thread #368.
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:45 PM   #226
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It is rare to go from 2-14 to the playoffs in one year, no matter who your QB is. You are unrealistic.
You yourself said we weren't a normal 2-14 team, so which is it?
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:50 PM   #227
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Of course there is. It is just not reasonable to expect the playoffs the year after 2-14 - especially with almost all the same players.
The Colts made the playoffs last year after a 2-14 season in 2011. Improved by 9 wins. Should we expect less from seasoned vet Alex Smith than we saw from rookie Andrew Luck?
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:59 PM   #228
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You don't trade what equates to a first round pick for a 29 year old quarterback you intend to pay 10 million per year to... to win 7 or 8 games.

When you trade a first round pick for a 29 year old ANYTHING in football, you need to EXPECT immediate results.

If it's gonna take a year to get up to speed, then what is gonna be the next argument against just taking a quarterback first overall with intentions of sitting him for a year?

Can anyone answer me that?
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Old 03-23-2013, 11:01 PM   #229
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Coaching matters SOME. But good players will shine SOME through the adversity of a bad coach. Mediocre to bad players just drift with the flow - like Smith.
Coaching matters a lot. It's assignment football. Do you know why the Niners came away losers in the Super Bowl? Because coaching called for 4 straight throwing plays when they had a first down and goal on the 5 yard line when they had Frank Gore and Delainie Walker. Lots of other examples.
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Old 03-23-2013, 11:05 PM   #230
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Of course there is. It is just not reasonable to expect the playoffs the year after 2-14 - especially with almost all the same players.
Teams that add a quality quarterback turn things around almost immediately.

Dalton
Wilson
Ryan
Rothlisberger
Brady
RG3
Luck
Flacco

I could go on....

Shit, shouldn't going from Romeo to Reid give us 2-3 wins?

We just dropped a ****ton of cash in free agency...that should get us a win or 2, right?

Adding a 29 year old "franchise quarterback" (which is consistent with the compensation that was given up) to this equation makes anything less than a playoff birth a complete and total failure.
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Old 03-23-2013, 11:05 PM   #231
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Do you know why the Niners came away losers in the Super Bowl? Because coaching called for 4 straight throwing plays
They're called pass plays you vaguely gay scrot lick

No one cares what you think anyway so just shut the **** up
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Old 03-23-2013, 11:07 PM   #232
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Trading for Alex Smith is a 'win now' move, and they're having minimal turnover on the roster (looks like Dorsey and Albert may be the only quality starters they lose). That tells us that this is not at all a rebuild situation like 2001 or 2009, that they believe in the players on this roster and that they believe a change in coaching will make the difference. There's no reason to give a year leeway to this group.
I think this is a right now plan and team. I expect Alex to do far better than the beer can cynics on this forum. And as someone has already commented, I think he will elevate the play of others. I guarantee he will be news when practice begins for that very thing. That's one of his strengths.

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Old 03-23-2013, 11:09 PM   #233
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The Colts made the playoffs last year after a 2-14 season in 2011. Improved by 9 wins. Should we expect less from seasoned vet Alex Smith than we saw from rookie Andrew Luck?
Well, Luck was talent that was worthy of being selected 1/1, so this is...
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Old 03-23-2013, 11:11 PM   #234
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Then you have not been listening to the cynics at all. The cynics (such as myself) recognize that Alex Smith will play us straight to first-round playoff exit mediocrity. And then we will never again be in position to draft a franchise QB who can actually take us to the dance.
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Old 03-23-2013, 11:13 PM   #235
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Given the coaching staff and talent, I'd say 9 or 10 wins. Our arrow is pointing up!
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Old 03-23-2013, 11:13 PM   #236
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Then the trade is even dumber than some initially suggested.

This regime and Alex Smith get no "evaluation year." Why? The overall record was disproportionately low because the coaching and managements situations were abysmal, and the QB play was ****ing awful.

Allegedly, these issues have been resolved. So now it's time to win or GTFO.

Playoffs.
You are setting the bar unreasonably high so you can say "I told you so". I see right through you.
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The Colts made the playoffs last year after a 2-14 season in 2011. Improved by 9 wins. Should we expect less from seasoned vet Alex Smith than we saw from rookie Andrew Luck?
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Old 03-23-2013, 11:17 PM   #239
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You are setting the bar unreasonably high so you can say "I told you so". I see right through you.
No, we're not.

Developmental years are for draft picks, not 29 year old players that you trade first round picks for and pay 10 million a year on.

This team will go as far as Alex Smith takes it. The rest of this team is pretty talented.
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