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Old 03-25-2013, 06:23 PM  
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DHS To Buy 360,000 More Rounds of Hollow Point Ammunition

Arms build-up continues as Congress demands answers

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
March 25, 2013

While the Department of Homeland Security continues to ignore members of Congress demanding to know why the federal agency is engaged in an apparent arms build-up, the DHS has just announced it plans to purchase another 360,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition to add to the roughly 2 billion bullets already bought over the past year.

A solicitation on the Federal Business Opportunities website details the DHS’ plan to purchase 360,000 rounds of “Commercial leaded training ammo (CLTA) Pistol .40 caliber 165 grain, jacketed hollow point.” The bullets are to be delivered to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico, the same destination for 240,000 hollow point rounds which were purchased only last month.

Although the DHS has attempted to explain its mammoth purchase of ammunition by claiming the bullets are being acquired in bulk to save money and that they are for training purposes only, this has been disputed by reputable voices such as former Marine Richard Mason, who told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania earlier this month, “We never trained with hollow points, we didn’t even see hollow points my entire four and a half years in the Marine Corps.”

Hollow point bullets are almost twice as expensive as full metal jackets, therefore the DHS’ explanation that it is buying huge quantities in bulk to “save money” doesn’t make sense.

As we reported yesterday, concerns about the apparent arms build-up are growing, with retired United States Army Captain Terry M. Hestilow sending a letter to Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) warning that the ammo purchases represent “a bold threat of war by that agency (DHS), and the Obama administration, against the citizens of the United States of America.”

Questions from members of Congress about why the federal agency is buying up ammo, exacerbating shortages across the country, have been met with silence.

- Kansas Congressman Timothy Huelscamp said last week that threats should be made to withdraw funding from the DHS if it didn’t explain why it was purchasing so many bullets, remarking, “They have no answer for that question. They refuse to answer to answer that.”

- Earlier this month, New Jersey Congressman Leonard Lance said, “Congress has a responsibility to ask Secretary Napolitano as to exactly why these purchases have occurred,” signaling his intention to get answers.

- Californian Congressman Doug LaMalfa and 14 of his House colleagues have written a letter to the Department of Homeland Security asking if the purchases are, “being conducted in a manner that strategically denies the American people access to ammunition.”

Although members of Congress are treating the matter with the seriousness it deserves, the mainstream and leftist media have attempted to ridicule the entire issue as a conspiracy theory, with Atlantic Wire even suggesting that the story had its origins in a debunked email, a report that completely failed to even mention the admitted fact that the DHS had purchased around 2 billion bullets.

While the DHS continues to purchase bullets in large quantities, police departments have been forced to barter amongst each other in a desperate scramble to meet their ammo needs.

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Paul Joseph Watson is the editor and writer for Infowars.com and Prison Planet.com. He is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a host for Infowars Nightly News.


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Old 03-26-2013, 06:04 PM   #91
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The paranoid government is coming guy is equally as crazy as the guy that doesn't even raise an eyebrow to the situation. Different sides of the same coin.
Thank you very much for maybe the most levelheaded post i've seen on this subject.

The question i have to ask, and you mention as well is... why the urgency? what is it that has them buying ammo like its the last box they'll ever get.

I mean, the numbers are truly staggering, why do these various departments need sooo much and need it right NOW... with the numbers were talking about, they'd need to have every gun packing member of every department at the practice range 24/7 for the next 10 years.

Yet no one is seeing the need to question why, i dont get it... some of these groups, like my favorite the NOAA (to name but a few very odd signees for these purchases), why in the hell do they need to "target practice" so much? what are they practicing for? again as you say, why the urgency?

Another fair question is, just how many armed departments of DHS are there, why are there so many armed agencies within DHS and why NOW... are they worried about some massive terrorist attack, do they fear some mega disaster that would cause the kind of civil unrest that causes them to need so much ammo... why do they feel the need to stock up in such fashion now? There are simply too many odd angles on this and i simply couldnt care less about pithy comments from cosmo or anyone else about it... its damn fair and REASONABLE to question all of this.
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:11 PM   #92
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Now keep in mind this is "Homeland Security", not the military. The military is placed into combat where expending rounds of ammunition is a common occurence. DHS is not in a combat zone but as of late they have been arming themselves as if they are.
THAT is an excellent point, pete... wish i'd have thought to couch it that way, its ****ing weird no matter how you slice it.
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:12 PM   #93
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For the sake of discussion, what about it does not make sense?
And it this is the question. What I own is immediately questioned however there is no equal curiosity on what the the government is buying~
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:17 PM   #94
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And it this is the question. What I own is immediately questioned however there is no equal curiosity on what the the government is buying~
Exactly. Granted there are many reasons that gun control advocates have to support their stance, but it's rather hypocritical when a lot of these people who are saying they want to ban this or that are surrounded by people in possession of those very items yet it is ok because those people are there to protect them.

We cannot just snap our fingers and have instant police on the scene, no matter how many times we sing the State Farm jingle. Yet when we choose to arm ourselves the same as law enforcment for the same reason as law enforcement, i.e., self-protection, suddenly it's a bad thing.


So the question is why are high capacity magazines and semi-automatic weapons good enough to protect Mayor Bloomberg, Diane Feinstein and Presdient Obama but when it comes to the self-protection of the average Joe Nobody then it isn't a good thing?
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:32 PM   #95
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Thank you very much for maybe the most levelheaded post i've seen on this subject.

The question i have to ask, and you mention as well is... why the urgency? what is it that has them buying ammo like its the last box they'll ever get.

I mean, the numbers are truly staggering, why do these various departments need sooo much and need it right NOW... with the numbers were talking about, they'd need to have every gun packing member of every department at the practice range 24/7 for the next 10 years.

Yet no one is seeing the need to question why, i dont get it... some of these groups, like my favorite the NOAA (to name but a few very odd signees for these purchases), why in the hell do they need to "target practice" so much? what are they practicing for? again as you say, why the urgency?

Another fair question is, just how many armed departments of DHS are there, why are there so many armed agencies within DHS and why NOW... are they worried about some massive terrorist attack, do they fear some mega disaster that would cause the kind of civil unrest that causes them to need so much ammo... why do they feel the need to stock up in such fashion now? There are simply too many odd angles on this and i simply couldnt care less about pithy comments from cosmo or anyone else about it... its damn fair and REASONABLE to question all of this.
That highlights a common misconception about the ammo purchases. This ammo order isn't for "Right now". It's a contract to supply ammo over a 5 year span. It's setup as an "As needed" contract over 5 years.

And the DHS has grown considerably over the last decade.



Some of it is motivated by the same reasons that civilians are trying desperately to buy ammo. There's high demand and low supply right now. When the DHS enters these "As needed" contracts, they ensure their supply for 5 years at the minimum, with a guarantee of X number of bullets at $Y, despite what the market does. It ensures availability with the contract, and lowers the cost by buying bulk. Contracts like these will be filled well before a manufacturer's bullets go to the general public.
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For the sake of discussion, what about it does not make sense?
It's pretty simple. There's no advantage in doing so. The government depends too greatly upon the economy which is dependent on the citizens as consumers. The government could not function without its citizens prospering democratically. Not to mention the fact that the government doesn't have the resources to attempt it.
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It's pretty simple. There's no advantage in doing so. The government depends too greatly upon the economy which is dependent on the citizens as consumers. The government could not function without its citizens prospering democratically. Not to mention the fact that the government doesn't have the resources to attempt it.
Wait, is this the same government that thinks unemployment checks are a boost for the economy??? The same that thinks increased government dependency is a good thing?
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Wait, is this the same government that thinks unemployment checks are a boost for the economy??? The same that thinks increased government dependency is a good thing?
The government as a whole does not think either of those things.
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The government as a whole does not think either of those things.
Really? I guess all the Obamacare, extended unemployment and record setting levels of people on food stamps confused me.
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Well only if you have something other than a double-barrel shotgun
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It's pretty simple. There's no advantage in doing so. The government depends too greatly upon the economy which is dependent on the citizens as consumers. The government could not function without its citizens prospering democratically.
I agree in principle. However, how many times through out history have we seen governments and/or dictators go for it any way? Castro's Cuba. The Soviet Union. Red China. Nazi Germany. Ect. Through out time we see people who desire to control other people and use various forms of government as the vehicle to carry out the act.

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Not to mention the fact that the government doesn't have the resources to attempt it.
I suppose one could make the argument that is what all of these moves pertain to.
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I agree in principle. However, how many times through out history have we seen governments and/or dictators go for it any way? Castro's Cuba. The Soviet Union. Rex China. Nazi Germany. Ect. Through out time we see people who desire to control other people and use various forms of government as the vehicle to carry out the act.



I suppose one could make the argument that is what all of these moves pertain to.
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I agree in principle. However, how many times through out history have we seen governments and/or dictators go for it any way? Castro's Cuba. The Soviet Union. Red China. Nazi Germany. Ect. Through out time we see people who desire to control other people and use various forms of government as the vehicle to carry out the act.
Yeah, maybe you're right and we'll wake up tomorrow to communist government rule like those governments you listed. That's something to worry about.... yeah........

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I suppose one could make the argument that is what all of these moves pertain to.
All of these moves? What kooky things are you trying to add to the discussion other than the ammo purchasing?
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