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View Poll Results: Is discriminating against someone because of their sexual orientation wrong?
Yes, it is morally wrong 10 15.87%
Yes, it is morally and legally wrong 32 50.79%
No, its not morally wrong 0 0%
No, its not morally or legally wrong 10 15.87%
Yes, its legally wrong but morally right 0 0%
Yes, its morally wrong but still legal to discriminate 7 11.11%
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Old 03-25-2013, 06:51 PM  
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Is discriminating against someone because of their sexual orientation wrong?

I've never had a publicly gay friend, family member or co-worker. I have no experience with anyone being discriminated against for being gay. I can't understand the concept of male wanting to have sex with another male.

But, I don't have to understand it. Whatever two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom is none of my business.

I believe that discriminating against someone only because of their sexual orientation is wrong and is/should be constitutionally protected.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:43 PM   #166
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:12 PM   #167
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Old 03-28-2013, 05:52 AM   #168
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That is just a load of crap. You can decide to be a bi-sexual. For your own personal enjoyment you want to swing both ways. But, thats not what anyone is discussing.

I'm convinced, the scientific and medical community are convinced that homosexuality is not a choice. They are homosexuals because they have no choice. It is who they are. We should accept them as they are.
At the very least, choosing a partner is a choice. The country is full of people who "settled" for their partner as opposed to getting their dream spouse. It's not unheard of to find gay people in marriages with people of the opposite sex. In that important sense, it's a choice. Blacks don't have a choice of skin color.

Whether homosexuality is genetic or not, it's not a conscious choice for most people so I agree with you that we should accept them as they are. That doesn't mean we are constitutionally obligated to create special rights for them though.
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Old 03-28-2013, 06:12 AM   #169
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That is just a load of crap. You can decide to be a bi-sexual. For your own personal enjoyment you want to swing both ways. But, thats not what anyone is discussing.

I'm convinced, the scientific and medical community are convinced that homosexuality is not a choice. They are homosexuals because they have no choice. It is who they are. We should accept them as they are.
Most people are born that way, but if you think there aren't some people that have chosen a gay lifestyle you're delusional.
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Old 03-28-2013, 06:15 AM   #170
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This isn't about gay activists. The Boy Scouts always give two reasons for forbidding gays in their group.

  1. Being gay is immoral.
  2. The gays can't be trusted to be alone with our kids.
Both are complete BS. They are no more prone to molest our kids than heterosexuals. We just agreed that gays are made that way. If you are a christian and they are being made that way, is that not the creators doing?

Both are not complete BS. I wouldn't want my daughter going on a Girl Scout camping trip supervised by two heterosexual men, so why would I want my son going on a Boy Scout camping trip with two homosexual men?
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:00 PM   #171
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Both are not complete BS. I wouldn't want my daughter going on a Girl Scout camping trip supervised by two heterosexual men, so why would I want my son going on a Boy Scout camping trip with two homosexual men?
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While pro-homosexual activists like to claim that pedophilia is a completely distinct orientation from homosexuality, evidence shows a disproportionate overlap between the two. Although almost all child molesters are male and less than 3% of men are homosexual, about a third of all child sex abuse cases involve men molesting boys. — Tony Perkins, Family Research Council



I'll just go ahead and tell you right now what his response to the data will be (since I've heard this actual rebuttal other times when I brought the facts up): "Well, um, er....who's to say those men who molest boys are ACTUALLY gay?? Hmmm???? Gotcha didn't I? They can be straight men just looking for power or dominance! YEah that's it!"
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Old 03-28-2013, 05:16 PM   #172
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Whether homosexuality is genetic or not, it's not a conscious choice for most people so I agree with you that we should accept them as they are.

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That doesn't mean we are constitutionally obligated to create special rights for them though.
I'm not advocating creating new constitutional rights. I'm saying that they should have had them all along. We have been denying then their rights. We should stop that practice.

Accepting them means not discriminating against them for just for being who they are.
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Old 03-28-2013, 05:18 PM   #173
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There's no right preventing discrimination of the sort you claim BRC. Not by private people, businesses etc.
The Constitution has not defined such a power and the Feds have no authority to regulate marriage.
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I'm not advocating creating new constitutional rights. I'm saying that they should have had them all along. We have been denying then their rights. We should stop that practice.

Accepting them means not discriminating against them for just for being who they are.
You want to create a new type of marriage specifically for them and say that it's a right required by the constitution. I'm on board with creating a new type of marriage, but it's because it's a good idea for society, IMO, not because to refuse to do so is a denial of rights.
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Old 03-28-2013, 06:48 PM   #175
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You want to create a new type of marriage specifically for them and say that it's a right required by the constitution. I'm on board with creating a new type of marriage, but it's because it's a good idea for society, IMO, not because to refuse to do so is a denial of rights.
They are American citizens entitled to the same rights as you and me. Not any more or any less. Just the same.
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They are American citizens entitled to the same rights as you and me. Not any more or any less. Just the same.
On that we agree, even if we probably don't agree on what it means.
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On that we agree, even if we probably don't agree on what it means.
Well at least thats something.
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While pro-homosexual activists like to claim that pedophilia is a completely distinct orientation from homosexuality, evidence shows a disproportionate overlap between the two. Although almost all child molesters are male and less than 3% of men are homosexual, about a third of all child sex abuse cases involve men molesting boys. — Tony Perkins, Family Research Council



I'll just go ahead and tell you right now what his response to the data will be (since I've heard this actual rebuttal other times when I brought the facts up): "Well, um, er....who's to say those men who molest boys are ACTUALLY gay?? Hmmm???? Gotcha didn't I? They can be straight men just looking for power or dominance! YEah that's it!"

Tony Perkins

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Old 03-29-2013, 06:33 PM   #179
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Would you discriminate against 2 gay first cousins getting married?

If no child can be born of the arrangement, who are you to judge and stop kcnutive from loving who he wants to?

Do you support discrimination against plural marriages?
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