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View Poll Results: Is discriminating against someone because of their sexual orientation wrong?
Yes, it is morally wrong 10 15.87%
Yes, it is morally and legally wrong 32 50.79%
No, its not morally wrong 0 0%
No, its not morally or legally wrong 10 15.87%
Yes, its legally wrong but morally right 0 0%
Yes, its morally wrong but still legal to discriminate 7 11.11%
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Old 03-25-2013, 06:51 PM  
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Is discriminating against someone because of their sexual orientation wrong?

I've never had a publicly gay friend, family member or co-worker. I have no experience with anyone being discriminated against for being gay. I can't understand the concept of male wanting to have sex with another male.

But, I don't have to understand it. Whatever two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom is none of my business.

I believe that discriminating against someone only because of their sexual orientation is wrong and is/should be constitutionally protected.
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Old 03-26-2013, 08:06 PM   #106
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Seriously, Maynard v Hill 1888 was about a legislature dissolving someone's marriage and whether it was valid or not based on the facts of that case unrelated to this topic. That line taken is out of context.

http://supreme.justia.com/cases/fede.../190/case.html
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Old 03-26-2013, 08:15 PM   #107
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Regulation of marriage was still left to the states

Despite those cases...
In 1948, the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed that “under the Constitution, the regulation and control of marital and family relationships are reserved to the States.” (Sherrer v. Sherrer, 1948). Even in the judicial activism of the 1970’s, the Court again held that the regulation of “domestic relations” is within the “virtually exclusive province of the states.” (Sosna v. Iowa, 1975).
Of course I agree with the last line that this should be debated between the public and their reps not judges.


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Old 03-26-2013, 08:50 PM   #108
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Since when did you have to be constitutional lawyer to have an opinion? Just because you have or not read a legal brief is not the reason you are allowed to have an opinion.

I don't have to read legal briefs to know that discrimination against citizens, separating out a group of fellow citizens for discrimination is wrong.

I like Scalia's question today, "when did it become unconstitutional?"

IMHO, Just like not allowing women to vote, discrimination against blacks, slavery, 3/5ths of a person............ it should have been unconstitutional on day one of the republic.
You can have an opinion, but just don't try to pass off legal justifications as if you know what you're talking about and as if it ends the discussion.

Just to be clear though, you're OK with the legality of discriminating against ugly people, cigarette addicts, socially awkward people, and multi-interested people who would like spouses of all sexes, shapes, and colors, right?
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:04 PM   #109
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until they have all the rights we do

they got to draw attentional somehow
either everybody gets to get married or nobody doses
you wanna save marriage?
make divorce illegal

I am ogf the opinion do what ever you what and have the same rights
I just don't wanna see it unless the chicks are hot
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:56 PM   #110
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You can have an opinion, but just don't try to pass off legal justifications as if you know what you're talking about and as if it ends the discussion.

Just to be clear though, you're OK with the legality of discriminating against ugly people, cigarette addicts, socially awkward people, and multi-interested people who would like spouses of all sexes, shapes, and colors, right?
i think the case law that marriage is a fundamental right will not be overturned and that the notion that marriage is among the fundamental rights of homosexuals as well as heterosexuals will be confirmed, if ever so narrowly...

and fwiw, i'm fine with the multi-interested people but cigarette addicts should not be allowed to marry!
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Old 03-26-2013, 10:05 PM   #111
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until they have all the rights we do
They do. They are allowed to marry a member of the opposite sex like everyone else can.
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i think the case law that marriage is a fundamental right will not be overturned and that the notion that marriage is among the fundamental rights of homosexuals as well as heterosexuals will be confirmed, if ever so narrowly...

and fwiw, i'm fine with the multi-interested people but cigarette addicts should not be allowed to marry!
They don't have to overturn the case law calling marriage a fundamental right to avoid requiring gay marriage, IMO.
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They do. They are allowed to marry a member of the opposite sex like everyone else can.
They don't have the right to marry their partner of choice. This is a cop out.
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They don't have to overturn the case law calling marriage a fundamental right to avoid requiring gay marriage, IMO.
i don't think kennedy is ready to require gay marriage at this point...

but i think he will follow up on romer and disallow the bans...
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Married couples receive "rights"? From the federal govt? Such as? I didn't know rights came from the federal govt. I thought they preceded govts.

Why is it NOT a federal issue? It's in the post on Federalist #45. I support the Constitution envisioned by our Framers—not the one re-written on rubber during the Prog Era where the penumbras extend to Timbuktu.



I don't agree with any federal govt subsidies for marriage. Benefits are not a right either. I've not seen that word in the Constitution either.
That's a welfare state defense.
Vitiation rights are not welfare. Custody rights are not welfare. There are plenty other examples, but your ignorance mixed with arrogance is fairly humorous .

/nothing like a small government conservative arguing that the government should decide who receives government benefits based off of religion. What happened to personal choice?
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Old 03-27-2013, 07:52 AM   #117
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I wasn't talking about visitation or custody rights.

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Vitiation rights are not welfare. Custody rights are not welfare. There are plenty other examples, but your ignorance mixed with arrogance is fairly humorous .

/nothing like a small government conservative arguing that the government should decide who receives government benefits based off of religion. What happened to personal choice?
What do you call federal pensions for govt workers? Taxpayers paying federal workers and officials healthcare?

Furthermore, we live in a welfare state that is continually increasing. Even Bush, that alleged "arch conservative," announced a new program to " promote 'healthy marriages' by using welfare funds to subsidize media campaigns and feel-good relationship counseling, all courtesy of U.S. taxpayers." ( Ron Paul)

I'm sure there are more, if one were to look. Your ignorance is astounding. It's hard to not erode liberty in a welfare state. We live in a welfare state that's growing.

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They don't have the right to marry their partner of choice. This is a cop out.
That's only because marriage has been defined as a union of a man and a woman for millenia. That's what it is. It was always an economic union to further the race. That's based on natural law. Gay marriage isn't exactly based on natural law. It's going to be based positivist law. Furthermore, they haven't wanted to marry. They wanted to be left alone by the state until the HIV problem. But even if they wanted to, they could marry as marriage was once done. Just up and marry. Doesn't mean it would be recognized.

So, no, it's your opinion that's a cop out.
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They don't have the right to marry their partner of choice. This is a cop out.
It depends on who they choose, just like all of us.
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Vitiation rights are not welfare. Custody rights are not welfare. There are plenty other examples, but your ignorance mixed with arrogance is fairly humorous .

/nothing like a small government conservative arguing that the government should decide who receives government benefits based off of religion. What happened to personal choice?
What does religion have to do with what she's saying?
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