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Old 03-27-2013, 12:37 PM  
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:05 PM   #211
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You are the minority, you do realize that? Most realistic fans, understand that this draft doesnt feature a franchise qb, not only in the minds of your leadership, but in the minds of almost every expert.....

So, really, who is the dumb ones?
Who is the dumb ones? Really? Who is? ****ing serious?
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:05 PM   #212
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Care to explain how replacing our franchise LT with the top draft pick is "smart"?
Your Franchise left tackle, (to chiefs fans, doesnt seem to be the concensous of the rest of the world) is going to be 29 years old. He wants to be paid like a top 5 tackle. Although, to the rest of the world, he is not in the category of Joe Thomas, or Ryan Clady, who seem to be the coup de grau of Left tackles.....

They can trade him, pick up extra picks, and draft his replacement, who is 8 years younger, and will cost half as much.

Its business sense. Something that Clearly eludes some on this board. Flame away, but I cant believe how difficult of a concept this is for some people......

The best olinemen in football, usually start showing their age about 31, 32 years old. meaning that if you give him a franchise contract right now for 4 years, hes 33 years old when it ends, where as if you trade him now, draft joeckell, in 4 years hes 25 years old, and not even entering his prime.

This is that difficult?
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:11 PM   #213
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Who is the dumb ones? Really? Who is? ****ing serious?
oh, i believe you, as per your avatar, and sig, believe that you are the smart ones, and that the majority of people who arent so desparate, not just for a franchise qb, but for a qb in the first round, believe you are smart ones.

Question......Who was the last number one overrall qb to win a super bowl?

Answer, Eli Manning. the other one in the last decade? Peyton Manning.

Meaning, that Matt Stafford, Alex Smith, David Carr, Jamarcus Russell, Andrew Luck, Sam Bradford Tim Couch, Michael Vick, have not only not won a super bowl, they havent even played in one.

meanwhile, Tom brady, 6th round pick, Drew Brees, second round pick, joe flacco, 16th pick, Ben Roethlisberger, 11th pick, Aaron Rodgers 24th pick, have won super bowls, meaning that the majority of super bowls, are won by players not picked first overrall.......So odds are that if say the chiefs pass on the qb this year, and grab one next year, that players odds are going to be higher, since you wont have the first pick next year, of winning a super bowl as super geno if he went first......

Logic. Its pretty basic.....
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:12 PM   #214
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The only thing Geno Smith has done to earn him the title of being unworthy to be drafted one overall is the fact that he is going to be drafted one year after Andrew Luck and RGIII. Of course 99.9% of every QB leaving college is going to be compared to that scale and fail.

Any other year, and Geno would be a lock to be drafted by us by every prognosticator out there. "Well, I don't think he's as good as Andrew Luck, so I'm not sure I'd waste a first on him. Plus, Russell Wislon was drafted in the third, so there will be value later in the draft."

It's all bullshit. Not good enough for us, but potentially good enough for the next seven teams that draft. Makes zero sense.
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:15 PM   #215
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oh, i believe you, as per your avatar, and sig, believe that you are the smart ones, and that the majority of people who arent so desparate, not just for a franchise qb, but for a qb in the first round, believe you are smart ones.

Question......Who was the last number one overrall qb to win a super bowl?

Answer, Eli Manning. the other one in the last decade? Peyton Manning.

Meaning, that Matt Stafford, Alex Smith, David Carr, Jamarcus Russell, Andrew Luck, Sam Bradford Tim Couch, Michael Vick, have not only not won a super bowl, they havent even played in one.

meanwhile, Tom brady, 6th round pick, Drew Brees, second round pick, joe flacco, 16th pick, Ben Roethlisberger, 11th pick, Aaron Rodgers 24th pick, have won super bowls, meaning that the majority of super bowls, are won by players not picked first overrall.......So odds are that if say the chiefs pass on the qb this year, and grab one next year, that players odds are going to be higher, since you wont have the first pick next year, of winning a super bowl as super geno if he went first......

Logic. Its pretty basic.....
That mess of an argument only qualifies as "logic" if you're a mouth-breathing high school dropout.
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:16 PM   #216
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oh, i believe you, as per your avatar, and sig, believe that you are the smart ones, and that the majority of people who arent so desparate, not just for a franchise qb, but for a qb in the first round, believe you are smart ones.
Reread the text I quoted, Einstein.
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:19 PM   #217
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The only thing Geno Smith has done to earn him the title of being unworthy to be drafted one overall is the fact that he is going to be drafted one year after Andrew Luck and RGIII. Of course 99.9% of every QB leaving college is going to be compared to that scale and fail.

Any other year, and Geno would be a lock to be drafted by us by every prognosticator out there. "Well, I don't think he's as good as Andrew Luck, so I'm not sure I'd waste a first on him. Plus, Russell Wislon was drafted in the third, so there will be value later in the draft."

It's all bullshit. Not good enough for us, but potentially good enough for the next seven teams that draft. Makes zero sense.
No. Absolutely not. There are serious question marks to the experts about him. Can he operate in an nfl offense. He took all of his snaps from the shot gun. Can he read a defense. These are not questions that Andrew Luck had to answer. And everyone knows that Russel Wilson, was drafted in the 3rd round, for one reason and one reason only.

Hes 5'11.

There were no questions about his qb ability, only his height.

The only knock on Barkley, seems to be arm strength, the knocks on Geno Smith, are he has a high reward ceiling, he wows you with accuracy, and arm strength, and mobility, but his question marks are about the smarts of the position.

Some scouts saying he cant read defenses, some saying that he has SLOW EYES, (i had never even heard of that term) Also, this is considered to be a draft with safe players, but no superstars, and yet, in that he cant be considered elite.

Thats not a good sign. Hes not good enough for the chiefs? Who the hell said that? The draft hasnt come, no one knows who they are really eyeing.

But, just the fact that he could be good enough for the Jags, Raiders, eagles, cards, or bills, doesnt mean that he is the end all be all. What it means is that their qb situations are absolutely awful.

The jags have gabbert, who is just awful, the raiders cant get palmer to restructure so if they cut him they have pryor, eek, the eagles, who the hell knows with them, i sure dont, the browns arent drafting a qb, the lions arent, the cards, who knows with them, other than fitz, what do they have that couldnt be an upgrade? and the bills, who have tavaris jackson.

The chiefs have a decent enough qb option this year, that they dont have to reach for a qb if they dont think hes a sure fire franchise qb.

That should be enough for chiefs fans to at least give them a chance to see if their plan works.......
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:22 PM   #218
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That mess of an argument only qualifies as "logic" if you're a mouth-breathing high school dropout.
Your avatar, understandably, would make that "argument" shallow, i agree.

You are however, going to be right or wrong depending on 1.1

I will be neither, as i stated, i dont know what the chiefs plan to do, or what they really think of Geno, as in I dont really have a horse in this race, i dont really care either way what they do.
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Reread the text I quoted, Einstein.
I think you are trying to outsmart yourself. I asked a rhetorical question.

I already know the answer.........
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I think you are trying to outsmart yourself. I asked a rhetorical question.

I already know the answer.........
It was the grammar I was pointing out.
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Care to explain how replacing our franchise LT with the top draft pick is "smart"?
I didnt try to "insult your intelligence." I answered your question from a business point of view, and you didnt want to accept my answer. That is on you, not me. Obviously, if you just go by Alberts tweets, he has been approched on some level, about switching to guard, or to Right Tackle, and has rebuffed both of those as options.

If you have a player that is insubordinate, then you have to check other options.

Thats how it is smart........You can feel insulted if you want, but why ask the question if you didnt want an answer?
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It was the grammar I was pointing out.
Thanks grammar cop. Next time i will use are, instead of is....My bad.....
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"Decent enough QB option for this year". Sorry, that doesn't exactly sell me on not taking Geno. Take the kid, let him sit behind Alex and Chase, let Andy work on whatever weaknesses HE (not the rest of us) sees, then turn him loose next year.

There is NO REASON to not be stacked at the QB position. None. And with the moves Dorsey has made so far, they have put us in a position of having the top overall pick be a luxury pick. It's ****ing genius.
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The only thing Geno Smith has done to earn him the title of being unworthy to be drafted one overall is the fact that he is going to be drafted one year after Andrew Luck and RGIII. Of course 99.9% of every QB leaving college is going to be compared to that scale and fail.

Any other year, and Geno would be a lock to be drafted by us by every prognosticator out there. "Well, I don't think he's as good as Andrew Luck, so I'm not sure I'd waste a first on him. Plus, Russell Wislon was drafted in the third, so there will be value later in the draft."

It's all bullshit. Not good enough for us, but potentially good enough for the next seven teams that draft. Makes zero sense.
Don't forget the unspoken components, "he's black" and "he played at west virginia".
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Don't forget the unspoken components, "he's black" and "he played at west virginia".
I dont think the Black thing is working against him.

At all. Hasnt worked against cam, Russel Wilson, Kaepernick, or rg3.

What is working against him is that to the experts, he is too high of a boom or bust risk that teams are scared. Im not sure why the west virginia thing is working against him. He is clearly heads and shoulders ahead of pat white as a qb, and pat white got drafted.
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