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Old 03-27-2013, 02:42 PM  
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Creationist offers $10K to prove Bible wrong

Creationist offers $10K to prove Bible wrong
Betting that science supports Genesis and not Darwin.

By Rich_Maloof

A die-hard creationist is putting his money where his faith is.
Dr. Joseph Mastropaolo believes unequivocally that the Bible's book of Genesis is a literal account of our universe's origin. Standing firmly behind his convictions, which he believes can be scientifically demonstrated, Mastropaolo has issued a challenge: Anyone who can prove, using hard evidence, that science contradicts the literal reading of Genesis walks away $10,000 richer.

Be warned: You don't want to sign up for this challenge without your facts in order. Contestants must arrive ready to argue their position against Mastropaolo with their own $10k in hand — and be willing to lose the money if Mastropaolo's scientific evidence of creationism prevails. So it's not so much a reward situation as a high-stakes bet. Whether or not the Bible says gambling is a sin remains a debate for another time.

The Literal Genesis Trial Contest is detailed at the Creation Science Hall of Fame — "Honoring those who honored God's Word as literally written in Genesis" — where the challenge is addressed, in good competitive spirit, to theistic evolutionists, allegoricallists, and "all you 'Long Agers.'"

According to contest rules, a mini-trial will be held in a courthouse where the contestant and Mastropaolo are to each put $10,000 in escrow. A superior court justice will decide which party prevails and is awarded the $20,000. (The Creation Science Hall of Fame is hosting the challenge but says it is not a party to the judge or any other entity involved.)

If you plan on arriving with a high schooler's grasp of evolution and a copy of Darwin's "On the Origin of Species," well, may God be with you. Mastropaolo is a highly educated, highly accomplished scientist. He's a recognized expert in kinesiology (the scientific study of body movement, aka human kinetics) and a recipient of Vice Presidential Awards for his studies on life in space.
And he believes that evolution cannot be proved.

"[Evolutionists] are not stupid people," Mastropaolo told The Guardian. "They are bright, but they are bright enough to know there is no scientific evidence they can give in a mini-trial."

Mastropaolo's bio indicates he has already scientifically proved that Adam and Eve were genetically perfect, that "ape-men are frauds" and that the Earth is 6,800 years old, give or take eight and a half centuries.

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Old 03-28-2013, 10:26 PM   #136
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these debates are pretty pointless. We can provide all of the evidence in the world and they'll just say nope, THE BOOK OF GENESIS proves you wrong, all the evidence we need.

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Old 03-28-2013, 10:38 PM   #137
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'Cept you're wrong like others who have conjectured about where I stand on evolution. ASSuming makes an ass out of you.
So you're only partially a dumbass on the matter.

OK.
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Old 03-28-2013, 10:45 PM   #138
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So you're only partially a dumbass on the matter.

OK.
So I see you're still being an ASSumer. I think someone needs to work on their bedside manner if they plan on being what I think.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:19 PM   #139
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So you're only partially a dumbass on the matter.

OK.
who made you turn your rep off?
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:39 PM   #140
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:39 PM   #141
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these debates are pretty pointless. We can provide all of the evidence in the world and they'll just say nope, THE BOOK OF GENESIS proves you wrong, all the evidence we need.

That's why I turn it into a bottom line sort of issue: invent something beneficial using creationist theory (that doesn't mean a creationist engineer inventing better mousetrap using physical laws, that means using CREATIONIST theory to drive your research). Until you do that you have nothing to talk about and no place at the academic table.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:47 PM   #142
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1. Evolution doesn't require isolation, but proving evolution is actually taking place instead of cross breeding, previously undiscovered findings, etc does! Really, this isn't as complicated as you are making it out to be.

2. I'm not giving you a free bible study course. Take one yourself and then at least pretend to have an intelligent debate. Hell, even the most mediocre atheist idiot typically acknowledges the social and confirmed historical aspects of the Bible, the difference of what is considered God's words or laws vs societal teachings, and the differences of the Old and New Testament. We should at least now be on the part where you are now contradicting your defense of science and trying to explain away chaos patterns and theories by now (collapse of an ordered system and such).

Debates can be fun, but when your responses themselves are the best counter argument to your stance, what's the point? At least try damnit, or this is no fun any more...
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:48 PM   #143
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That's why I turn it into a bottom line sort of issue: invent something beneficial using creationist theory (that doesn't mean a creationist engineer inventing better mousetrap using physical laws, that means using CREATIONIST theory to drive your research). Until you do that you have nothing to talk about and no place at the academic table.
Isn't an enternity in heaven a good enough invention for you?

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That's why I turn it into a bottom line sort of issue: invent something beneficial using creationist theory (that doesn't mean a creationist engineer inventing better mousetrap using physical laws, that means using CREATIONIST theory to drive your research). Until you do that you have nothing to talk about and no place at the academic table.
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Old 03-29-2013, 06:36 AM   #146
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Dude don't be that hard on yourself. I mean you are oblivious to reason and logic, but at least you aren't stevieray stupid so that's a plus.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:45 AM   #147
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Dude don't be that hard on yourself. I mean you are oblivious to reason and logic, but at least you aren't stevieray stupid so that's a plus.
...you're so insecure Dave.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:54 AM   #148
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God and/or Jesus would find this effort to turn profit on the bible abhorrent.

This man is going to hell.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:59 AM   #149
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In Gen 1:26, "Them" refers to Adam and his future people. That's the only thing discussed in that chapter. There are no scriptures anywhere in the chapter mentioning other people from elsewhere. If there is no mention of any other people, then anyone following along understands that the intention wasn't to mean other people that were not talked about. That's a huge stretch, and seems to be the only thing you're hanging on to. It doesn't matter where the word "Them" came chronologically, there is no other mention anywhere providing any inclination that "Them" means anyone other than Adam and Company. It's that simple. If no other outside humans are mentioned, then "Them" is understood to mean the people that actually were talked about. Adam and Co.

"THEM" is mentioned first, then Adam. There's a chronology impact there. We can both agree that when a story discusses things, usually it's in time order. But let's look at what it says: "THEM" can eat whatever they want (even from "every tree"), but Adam must not eat from the Tree.


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Wouldn't that be good information to know? I've looked into it, and it's pretty clear. There are countless religious webpages explaining this exact question. I've used several of them for reference. They overwhelmingly support the idea that there were no other pre-Adam people. Look into it.

And none of those people have any explanation for Cain leaving Eden and being afraid of being killed by these mystery men. Nobody can explain how he's able to build a city (not a hut or a cabin by the river - but a city!) with siblings. Nobody explains why siblings would already have moved from Eden and gone away to start their own communities, or why the Bible would never mention them.

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I didn't find any actual reputable biblical entities that said there were pre-existing peoples. I'd love a few links if you have them. Everything I found argued against that.
And nobody explains the concept of inbreeding which to my knowledge isn't addressed in the Bible. Does it say Cain's wife was his sister? If it was, why the hell wouldn't it mention it? Isn't it far more likely she was one of the other folks in another town? And since Leviticus 18 specifically forbids sleeping with one's sister or inbreeding, why would it be ok to do it early on?



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The people, who you claim lived in far off lands away from the presence of the Lord, evidently knew about Cain somehow. You're forgetting that Cain was "Marked", and God instructed others not to kill him. So yes, they knew about his murder. Without the internet even. They had the Godnet.

??? They didn't know about his murder at all. Cain only says he's worried that he'll be killed since he's now a "wanderer". He never once mentions fear about being discovered as a murderer. Would you consider yourself a "wanderer" if you went to go live with relatives? Would you refer to them as "whoever" if they're people you know????


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And note that it doesn't say anywhere that Cain "Found" his wife. Only that he knew her(sexed her up), and they built a city in Nod.

Agreed, I'll stipulate that.
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:24 AM   #150
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Ok, you want a place at the academic table? Show your openers. Name ONE invention that helps people developed by CREATIONIST theory.

And no, Dinosaur Park Creationist Museum doesn't count. We're talking OBJECTIVE aid not SPIRITUAL help. Spiritual help would fall within the realm of religion.

You are, of course, free to believe as you wish. But, if you want equal academic time in high school science books compelled by force of law, PRODUCE SOMETHING USEFUL.

You're just mad because you can't do it.
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