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Creationist offers $10K to prove Bible wrong

Creationist offers $10K to prove Bible wrong
Betting that science supports Genesis and not Darwin.

By Rich_Maloof

A die-hard creationist is putting his money where his faith is.
Dr. Joseph Mastropaolo believes unequivocally that the Bible's book of Genesis is a literal account of our universe's origin. Standing firmly behind his convictions, which he believes can be scientifically demonstrated, Mastropaolo has issued a challenge: Anyone who can prove, using hard evidence, that science contradicts the literal reading of Genesis walks away $10,000 richer.

Be warned: You don't want to sign up for this challenge without your facts in order. Contestants must arrive ready to argue their position against Mastropaolo with their own $10k in hand — and be willing to lose the money if Mastropaolo's scientific evidence of creationism prevails. So it's not so much a reward situation as a high-stakes bet. Whether or not the Bible says gambling is a sin remains a debate for another time.

The Literal Genesis Trial Contest is detailed at the Creation Science Hall of Fame — "Honoring those who honored God's Word as literally written in Genesis" — where the challenge is addressed, in good competitive spirit, to theistic evolutionists, allegoricallists, and "all you 'Long Agers.'"

According to contest rules, a mini-trial will be held in a courthouse where the contestant and Mastropaolo are to each put $10,000 in escrow. A superior court justice will decide which party prevails and is awarded the $20,000. (The Creation Science Hall of Fame is hosting the challenge but says it is not a party to the judge or any other entity involved.)

If you plan on arriving with a high schooler's grasp of evolution and a copy of Darwin's "On the Origin of Species," well, may God be with you. Mastropaolo is a highly educated, highly accomplished scientist. He's a recognized expert in kinesiology (the scientific study of body movement, aka human kinetics) and a recipient of Vice Presidential Awards for his studies on life in space.
And he believes that evolution cannot be proved.

"[Evolutionists] are not stupid people," Mastropaolo told The Guardian. "They are bright, but they are bright enough to know there is no scientific evidence they can give in a mini-trial."

Mastropaolo's bio indicates he has already scientifically proved that Adam and Eve were genetically perfect, that "ape-men are frauds" and that the Earth is 6,800 years old, give or take eight and a half centuries.

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Old 03-28-2013, 12:08 PM   #76
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Nonsense. Going by order of discussion, "THEM" came first in Gen 1. After, we meet Adam in Gen 2. Furthermore there is certainly mention of anyone outside of Adam because those are precisely the people Cain was so afraid of.


In order for your logic to work, Adam & Eve must had tons of kids at the same time as they had Cain, and they must have all grown up and moved away to neighboring areas. And they must have all HATED (or at least disliked) their own parents and siblings if Cain really feared them.


Net: your interpretation is a big fat failure.





Common mistake. This is an interpolation that doesn't show up in the original manuscripts. I'll let it slide this one time.
Well if you're trying to pigeon hole the argument to chronological scriptures, your argument applies to your opinion as well.

This passage came after Gen 2:

Genesis 2:20 So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper comparable to him.

Not to mention the Corinthians, Acts, and Timothy scriptures. They all came after your "Them" scripture as well.

Regarding the passage of time, yes Adam and Eve had many kids. They lived for almost 1000 years, and were commanded to “be fruitful, and multiply”. That's kinda the point.

Cain feared them because he killed his brother. He was ashamed. The other offspring didn't hate their parents, only the one sibling who murdered.

In the end.... you have to admit that all this confusion and misinterpretation of the meaning illustrates exactly why the Bible can't be taken literally....
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:19 PM   #77
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:25 PM   #79
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I'm just assuming this thread is basically a repost of the other creationism thread.
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:30 PM   #81
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I'm just assuming this thread is basically a repost of the other creationism thread.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:21 PM   #82
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Well if you're trying to pigeon hole the argument to chronological scriptures, your argument applies to your opinion as well.

This passage came after Gen 2:

Genesis 2:20 So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper comparable to him.
"Comparable" really means "suitable" in the translation. And God did not find any woman suitable for Adam. The passage doesn't say there wasn't a kinda-sorta decent option for Adam - one that was "suitable" didn't exist.


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Not to mention the Corinthians, Acts, and Timothy scriptures. They all came after your "Them" scripture as well.
The Timothy citation is a gross dereliction of misunderstanding by you. It refers to Adam being "formed first" between the two, and it's specifically designed by Paul to teach the Church not to grant Eve any primacy in the couple in order that men would get justification for leading their churches instead of their wives. Period. It has nothing to do with establishing a lineage of humankind, GMAFB.


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Regarding the passage of time, yes Adam and Eve had many kids. They lived for almost 1000 years, and were commanded to “be fruitful, and multiply”. That's kinda the point.

You are reading into this story, whereas I am not. You assume the folks living in other areas are their children, but the Bible doesn't say that nor does it imply that. YOU are making the assumption, therefore you should realize you could be incorrect when you do.

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Cain feared them because he killed his brother. He was ashamed.
The Bible tells us why he was afraid: he was departing "from the presence of the Lord". That's what scared him. That's why he feared for his life. Those people living in far off lands wouldn't know about his murder unless they logged into the Internet to find out.


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The other offspring didn't hate their parents, only the one sibling who murdered.

And yet, we read that he finds a wife there and builds a city. I guess all those "siblings" weren't really angry at him after all.



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In the end.... you have to admit that all this confusion and misinterpretation of the meaning illustrates exactly why the Bible can't be taken literally....

There are things the Bible is quite literal about (10 Commandments, the Crucifixion/Resurrection, etc) and there are things the Bible is not clear about (Hell, the Rapture, Age of Earth, Purgatory etc). Thinking otherwise will lead you to the confused state you currently reside in.
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:09 PM   #85
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There are things the Bible is quite literal about (10 Commandments, the Crucifixion/Resurrection, etc) and there are things the Bible is not clear about (Hell, the Rapture, Age of Earth, Purgatory etc). Thinking otherwise will lead you to the confused state you currently reside in.
Living in a whale, every species living on a boat, the virgin birth and turning water to wine fit into which category?

Watching PBS NOVA last night they talked about the meteor that hit Russia recently. I couldn't help but think about what explanation thumpers would have if we didn't have modern science. Would they claim the people of Chelyabinsk were all screwing their mothers? But Vladimir knew it was wrong and fled with his wife, but when he looked at her, she turned into a snowman!

What category does someone instantaneously turning into a pile of uniform molecules belong, literal or "not clear?"
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Living in a whale, every species living on a boat, the virgin birth and turning water to wine fit into which category?

Those are literal teachings of the Bible. You do not have to believe them, only that they are literal. (Although I'm not sure on the Jonah story, the whale could possibly be allegorical. A Biblical scholar would know mroe than I would on that one)


The Flood story is quite possibly allegorical as is the creation story. It is not known with certainty whether it took literally 7 days to create the earth or if that is just a figure of speech. Hope this helps.
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Those are literal teachings of the Bible. You do not have to believe them, only that they are literal. (Although I'm not sure on the Jonah story, the whale could possibly be allegorical. A Biblical scholar would know mroe than I would on that one)


The Flood story is quite possibly allegorical as is the creation story. It is not known with certainty whether it took literally 7 days to create the earth or if that is just a figure of speech. Hope this helps.
Uh, it is known that it took longer than seven days to form the earth. You should stick with calling the 7 days a figure of speech. Hope this helps.
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Uh, it is known that it took longer than seven days to form the earth. You should stick with calling the 7 days a figure of speech. Hope this helps.
I too believe it took longer than 7 days to build the earth. Glad we agree (although I wouldn't care a wit if we didn't)
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"Comparable" really means "suitable" in the translation. And God did not find any woman suitable for Adam. The passage doesn't say there wasn't a kinda-sorta decent option for Adam - one that was "suitable" didn't exist.
Exactly. One didn't exist.

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The Timothy citation is a gross dereliction of misunderstanding by you. It refers to Adam being "formed first" between the two, and it's specifically designed by Paul to teach the Church not to grant Eve any primacy in the couple in order that men would get justification for leading their churches instead of their wives. Period. It has nothing to do with establishing a lineage of humankind, GMAFB.

You are reading into this story, whereas I am not. You assume the folks living in other areas are their children, but the Bible doesn't say that nor does it imply that. YOU are making the assumption, therefore you should realize you could be incorrect when you do.
... actually the Bible doesn't say or imply that there are any other people. Period. There are no scriptures at all that directly say there were any other people. And I've shown many scriptures that say Adam was the first, and there were no others. The bottom line is that the Bible does say Adam was the first and only, and it absolutely doesn't say there were any others. You're making inferences on what "Them" and "They" means(Which is easily explained to mean Adam and offspring). Since the Bible mentions absolutely nothing else about any other people before Adam, it's overwhelmingly more likely that it means exactly what is written. And you'll not find many if any Biblical scholars that will agree with your notion that there were other people before Adam. Go ahead and ask and look around. You're in the minority with your interpretation.

And it says directly in Genesis that Adam and Eve had many more children:

Genesis 5:4 After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters.

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The Bible tells us why he was afraid: he was departing "from the presence of the Lord". That's what scared him. That's why he feared for his life. Those people living in far off lands wouldn't know about his murder unless they logged into the Internet to find out.

And yet, we read that he finds a wife there and builds a city. I guess all those "siblings" weren't really angry at him after all.
It doesn't say he "Found" a wife. I already pointed that out. It says he "Knew" his wife. I've also explained what "Knew" meant, with scripture to back it up.

The Hebrew word for “wife” used in Genesis 4:17 (the first mention of Cain’s wife) is ishshah, and it means “woman/wife/female.” And Cain knew his wife [ishshah], and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son—Enoch (Genesis 4:17). The word ishshah is the word for “woman,” and it means “from man.” It is a derivation of the Hebrew words ‘iysh (pronounced: eesh) and enowsh, which both mean “man.” This can be seen in Genesis 2:23 where the name “woman” (ishshah) is given to one who came from Adam.

And Adam said: “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman [ishshah], because she was taken out of Man [iysh]” (Genesis 2:23). Thus, Cain’s wife is a descendant of Adam/man.

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There are things the Bible is quite literal about (10 Commandments, the Crucifixion/Resurrection, etc) and there are things the Bible is not clear about (Hell, the Rapture, Age of Earth, Purgatory etc). Thinking otherwise will lead you to the confused state you currently reside in.
Yeah I know that people pick and choose what they think is literal in the Bible, and what they think is not literal. That much is perfectly clear. Otherwise, people would still be stoning their daughters to death for disrespecting their parents. And anybody that went through a divorce(~50% of today's population), would be labeled an adulterer and denied heaven. So believers are forced to pick and choose.
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