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Old 03-29-2013, 02:11 PM  
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The Cowboys and quarterback Tony Romo have a deal, and itís reportedly a deal that will guarantee Romo even more money than Joe Flacco just received in his blockbuster contract with the Ravens.

Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that the Cowboys and Romo reached an agreement on a six-year extension that contains even more guaranteed money than the six-year, $120.6 million contract that Joe Flacco got from the Ravens.

As is always the case, the contract details will come out in time. But the initial indication is that Jerry Jones backed up the Brinkís truck to pay Romo. Schefter says the total value of the deal is a six-year contract worth $108 million.

The Cowboys have been trying for weeks to get a new deal done with Romo, who would have counted $16.8 million against this yearís salary cap if he didnít have a new contract. The new deal will reduce Romoís cap number for 2013.

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has long said he believes Romo can lead his team to a Super Bowl, and that he wants Romo to remain a Cowboy for the rest of his career. It appears that will happen: Romo and the Cowboys are tied together for years to come.
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Old 03-29-2013, 05:28 PM   #121
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Old 03-29-2013, 05:35 PM   #122
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Wow. Jerry Jones is not a bright dude. Well at least now the Chiefs have a shot against my wife's Cowboys this fall at Arrowhead. I was afraid it was a sure loss.
Did you think they were going to cut him?

This changes nothing about this year...
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Old 03-29-2013, 05:38 PM   #123
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Game 4 against the Pacers in his first NBA finals is the easiest example.

Jalen Rose slid his leg in under Kobe during a jumper in Game 2 and sprained his ankle (because Jalen Rose is a punk). Kobe missed game 3 and the Pacers won to draw it to a 2-1 series.

Game 4 was pivotal as hell and ended up in overtime where Shaq fouled out. Kobe completely owned that overtime period, made 3 huge baskets and stole the win on the road to make it a 3-1 series. Had they lost that, the Pacers would've won 2 in a row to tie the series at 2-2 and the Pacers throttled the Lakers in game 5 which would've given them a 3 game winning streak and all the momentum in the world.

Without that win, without that performance from Kobe, the Lakers very likely don't win the 2000 NBA Championship and suddenly that era could've gone very very differently.

Oh there are other examples as well, but that's the most glaring.

People that don't want to like Kobe don't ever remember stuff like that, but there's a ton of it. It doesn't bother me - it is what it is. The Jordan fans think they have to belittle Kobe to make sure that there remains separation between them. I don't get it; there's going to be separation between the two even if you give Bryant every drop of credit he's earned.

It just is what it is.
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Old 03-29-2013, 05:44 PM   #124
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Jesus I would shoot myself in the head if I was a cowgirls fan wtf

Chiefs Planet by far is the greatest message board ever.

You should read their message board.

They think Romo is the greatest QB in history and they have so many excuses it's not even funny.

Those ****ing people are delusional.
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Old 03-29-2013, 06:02 PM   #125
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Chiefs Planet by far is the greatest message board ever.

You should read their message board.

They think Romo is the greatest QB in history and they have so many excuses it's not even funny.

Those ****ing people are delusional.
Yeah, there are only 2 or 3 people in here sucking off Romo.
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Old 03-29-2013, 06:31 PM   #126
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I like romo. on a list of who I would like to start my season with this year out of any quarterback in the NFL, Romo has to be top 10.
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Old 03-29-2013, 06:32 PM   #127
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Old 03-29-2013, 06:35 PM   #128
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and the funny thing is...

that is the ONE AND ONLY finals moment I've EVER heard.

seriously, I'm not even trying to bash the guy...I don't remember any other time of him being "clutch" or being this assassin people make him out to be in the NBA Finals and really even the playoffs minus one Suns game I remember in the earlier rounds..

everyone craved Jordan so much that they wanted to turn Kobe into Michael...Kobe into this "closer" and he never, ever, ever was...

Never.

Seriously. If you can rattle off a few game winners he hit in the Finals...or a few times where he did something MEMORABLE...other than this one time Shaq fouled out...

I'm all ears.

I eagerly await.
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Old 03-29-2013, 06:37 PM   #129
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Old 03-29-2013, 06:44 PM   #130
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Joe Flacco was the best QB in all four of his playoff games last year. He's not Trent Dilfer riding a great defense and throwing for 112 yards.

Any slapdick can have a game where they outplay a good QB (Smith vs. Brees in the 2011 NFC Divisional Playoffs), but it stops being a coincidence when Flacco put together the last two postseasons he did.

And here's the thing: Rahim Moore or not, Flacco outplayed Manning in that game. Manning needed an extra return TD just to be in the position to get Rahim Moore'd.

Here's something you all might not remember: Super Bowl XXIII. Joe Montana, who never threw a SB pick, was deep in the red zone and hit a Bengal in the end zone right between the numbers. He dropped it. The 49ers still scored and Montana ended up leading them on a game winning drive at the end. But his ass got incredibly lucky too.

That Rahim Moore play is no more of a good break than the Lee Evans drop was a bad one.

What's the end result? He still wins a conference championship again an elite QB, on the road, no less.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:08 PM   #131
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Tony Romo has a career passer rating of 95. The amount of shit that guy takes is just stupid.

Romo's a good quarterback. He's a 65% passer that averages 8yds/attempt and has the mobility to make up for some shoddy protection.

He's easily a top 15 guy and, like Flacco, probably sits somewhere in the 8-12 range.

People keep blasting him as a bad post-season QB but he's only played in 4 posts-season games and he's been just fine in 2 of them. The last 3 years the Cowboys missed the playoffs because they've had a wildly overrated defense. Moreover, his 'weapons' are being overrated as well. Austin's almost always hurt, Bryant finally had a decent year this season and he's never had much of a running game to work with.

If Eric Decker plays well with Manning, people say "Man, Manning is a god". When Romo gets a great season from Laurent !@#$ing Robinson, people just shrug and act like Robinson must've actually been a badass and we didn't know it. Romo's absolutely made his weapons look better than they are on many occasions.

Romo's a hell of a quarterback, a good leader and he's tough as nails. You give him the exact same team as Joe Flacco and yeah - I'd take Romo over Flacco for at least the next couple of years. And while I recognize that not everyone would agree with that, I certainly don't see how you can say that Flacco is at all clearly better than Romo.

As some one who lived in Cowboyland fr too many years I can tell you that you are missing something very crucial in your analysis; Romo's attitude went sideways after he be me the full time starter. He got too caught up in being the starting quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys and started acting like a primo doŮa.

If he were still that same kid having fun out there that he was in the beginning everyone's view of him might very well be different because he might have actually accomplished something.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:11 PM   #132
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Joe Flacco was the best QB in all four of his playoff games last year. He's not Trent Dilfer riding a great defense and throwing for 112 yards.

Any slapdick can have a game where they outplay a good QB (Smith vs. Brees in the 2011 NFC Divisional Playoffs), but it stops being a coincidence when Flacco put together the last two postseasons he did.

And here's the thing: Rahim Moore or not, Flacco outplayed Manning in that game. Manning needed an extra return TD just to be in the position to get Rahim Moore'd.

Here's something you all might not remember: Super Bowl XXIII. Joe Montana, who never threw a SB pick, was deep in the red zone and hit a Bengal in the end zone right between the numbers. He dropped it. The 49ers still scored and Montana ended up leading them on a game winning drive at the end. But his ass got incredibly lucky too.

That Rahim Moore play is no more of a good break than the Lee Evans drop was a bad one.

What's the end result? He still wins a conference championship again an elite QB, on the road, no less.
That whole "Manning needed an extra return TD" argument is bullshit. No one knows that those drives wouldn't have ended in TD's either way, and no one knows how the game plays out otherwise if they didn't happen. It's a stupid ****ing argument.

Did Flacco outplay Manning through 4 quarters? I'm not sure. It was close. He made good throws to his receivers who made good plays (abusing Champ Bailey). Peyton Manning also made two really good TD throws that were dead on as well. Manning also led a "game winning" drive...and the Broncos also elected to run on 3rd and 7 when a 1st down would have ended the game outright.

That is totally debatable that Flacco outplayed Manning. It was close. He definitely outplayed him in overtime though I'm not sure that has anything to do with any plays Flacco made...just the fact Manning played like horseshit and looked like his arm was about to fall off in OT.

Lets not act like Flacco was some world beater of a man completing 53% of his passes for a 65 QBR against Denver. If Rahim Moore doesn't happen, your new phenomenon about Joe Flacco being elite doesn't happen.

The dude just isn't elite. At no point, up until a few wow throws this postseason, IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER, have I ever watched Joe Flacco and thought..."wow, he could be great."

Doesn't pass the eye test. Not one bit. One Super Bowl where you get the bounces doesn't do much for me.

The Pats could have put that game away in the 1st half if they played Patriots like offense...but they couldn't convert 3rd and shorts...and let Flacco hang around...hang around...hang around...and then Tom couldn't do shit and the game got out of hand.

But I am not trying to sell what he did short. He played really well this postseason. He got gifted some Eli luck and ran with it. It was impressive.

But one stretch in a long enough career doesn't suddenly make me think, "oh man, this guy is elite." He has talent, but his inconsistency is just too much for me to put him in the top 8. He's fringe. Personally, I'd take 13 QB's over Joe Flacco.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:16 PM   #133
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That whole "Manning needed an extra return TD" argument is bullshit. No one knows that those drives wouldn't have ended in TD's either way, and no one knows how the game plays out otherwise if they didn't happen. It's a stupid ****ing argument.

Did Flacco outplay Manning through 4 quarters? I'm not sure. It was close. He made good throws to his receivers who made good plays (abusing Champ Bailey). Peyton Manning also made two really good TD throws that were dead on as well. Manning also led a "game winning" drive...and the Broncos also elected to run on 3rd and 7 when a 1st down would have ended the game outright.

That is totally debatable that Flacco outplayed Manning. It was close. He definitely outplayed him in overtime though I'm not sure that has anything to do with any plays Flacco made...just the fact Manning played like horseshit and looked like his arm was about to fall off in OT.

Lets not act like Flacco was some world beater of a man completing 53% of his passes for a 65 QBR against Denver. If Rahim Moore doesn't happen, your new phenomenon about Joe Flacco being elite doesn't happen.

The dude just isn't elite. At no point, up until a few wow throws this postseason, IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER, have I ever watched Joe Flacco and thought..."wow, he could be great."

Doesn't pass the eye test. Not one bit. One Super Bowl where you get the bounces doesn't do much for me.

The Pats could have put that game away in the 1st half if they played Patriots like offense...but they couldn't convert 3rd and shorts...and let Flacco hang around...hang around...hang around...and then Tom couldn't do shit and the game got out of hand.

But I am not trying to sell what he did short. He played really well this postseason. He got gifted some Eli luck and ran with it. It was impressive.

But one stretch in a long enough career doesn't suddenly make me think, "oh man, this guy is elite." He has talent, but his inconsistency is just too much for me to put him in the top 8. He's fringe. Personally, I'd take 13 QB's over Joe Flacco.
You seem to be conflating me with other people. I don't think Joe Flacco is a top five QB. He's not elite. But he had an elite postseason, just like Eli did, as you rightly point out. I'd definitely take Flacco over Romo solely for the age factor and I think Flacco still has potential to grow and develop as a QB, whereas Romo is leaving his prime.

Regarding the return factor: I think you're underestimating it. While you are right that it's impossible to know what happened, we all know what a demonstrable effect return TDs have on momentum. When Vermeil was here he always talked about how difficult it was to beat a team that had a return touchdown because it upsets the balance of the game so much, and I agree with that.

I'm higher on Flacco than you, and obviously lower than Romo, but I don't think he's in the Rodgers-Brady category. But he's earned entrance into the Eli category, and their play in the postseason elevates them above good fantasy QBs, to me at least.
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I don't know if anyone thinks Flacco is an elite QB overall. I just talk about his postseason.

He's like the opposite of Peyton.
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You seem to be conflating me with other people. I don't think Joe Flacco is a top five QB. He's not elite. But he had an elite postseason, just like Eli did, as you rightly point out. I'd definitely take Flacco over Romo solely for the age factor and I think Flacco still has potential to grow and develop as a QB, whereas Romo is leaving his prime.

Regarding the return factor: I think you're underestimating it. While you are right that it's impossible to know what happened, we all know what a demonstrable effect return TDs have on momentum. When Vermeil was here he always talked about how difficult it was to beat a team that had a return touchdown because it upsets the balance of the game so much, and I agree with that.

I'm higher on Flacco than you, and obviously lower than Romo, but I don't think he's in the Rodgers-Brady category. But he's earned entrance into the Eli category, and their play in the postseason elevates them above good fantasy QBs, to me at least.
I can't put Flacco with Eli. No way. Eli carries his team during regular seasons. Eli gets his team into the postseason. Eli, two years ago, was pretty much the sole reason the Giants even had a chance to make the playoffs (which they turned into another Super Bowl).

When Flacco carries the Ravens into the playoffs maybe he can be on Eli's level. The Ravens won this year DESPITE Joe Flacco UNTIL the playoffs. Even then, the defense kept them in it for an entire half against New England before Joe woke up and start heaving it to Anquan.

Regardless...when Flacco has an Eli Manning 2011 where he single-handedly keeps his team together through injuries and shitty team play and is the #1 reason (and #2, #3 and #4) on why they are in the playoffs in the first place...

THEN I might consider Flacco to be a 2nd tier NFL star QB like Eli.

Right now, he belongs in the Romo, Cutler tier.
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