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Old 03-29-2013, 09:47 PM  
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11/8/2013 Louisiana Monroe Lawrence, Kan. W(80-63) (1-0)
11/12/2013 Duke Chicago, Ill. W(94-83) (2-0)
11/19/2013 Iona Lawrence, Kan. W(86-66) (3-0)
11/22/2013 Towson W(88-58) (4-0)
11/28/2013 Wake Forest Paradise Island, Bahamas W(87-78) (5-0)
11/29/2013 Villanova Paradise Island, Bahamas L(59-63) (5-1)
11/30/2013 UTEP Paradise Island, Bahamas W(67-63) (6-1)
12/7/2013 Colorado Boulder, Colo. L(72-75) (6-2)
12/10/2013 Florida Gainesville, Fla. L(61-67) (6-3)
12/14/2013 New Mexico Kansas City, Mo. W(80-63)(7-3)
12/21/2013 Georgetown Lawrence, Kan. W(86-64)(8-3)
12/30/2013 Toledo Lawrence, Kan. W(93-83)(9-3)
1/5/2014 San Diego State Lawrence, Kan. L(57-61)(9-4)
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Old 05-21-2013, 05:49 PM   #886
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At least we can conversations on who should get the minutes. That wasn't the case a few weeks ago.
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Old 05-21-2013, 05:51 PM   #887
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I think you have Traylor way too low on the DC.
Yeah, unless Traylor takes a step backwards, I can see him getting quite a few minutes next year.
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Old 05-21-2013, 06:27 PM   #888
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Kansas Jayhawks Land Memphis Transfer Tarik Black
16 mins ago by Trevor Lowry

Black averaged 8.1 points per game and 4.8 rebounds per game this past season. However, he only averaged 20.8 minutes per game, so he could definitely do some damage in the scoring and rebounding department with more time on the court.
I think you guys here get it, but don't expect a lot from Tarik. The extrapolation above is funny. Memphis was very thin inside, and were counting on Tarik to anchor inside and play 30+ minutes a game. Unfortunately, between foul trouble, poor play and questionable attitude issues, he wasn't available for more than the 20 minutes a game. I'm guessing that's all Self is going to ask of him. You'll wonder why he doesn't rebound better and impact the game more than he does though as you watch him play.
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Old 05-21-2013, 06:29 PM   #889
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lmao...Lucas is not starting, and is not starting over Embiid

Lucas was a fringe-100 player in a weak recruiting class...I'm sure he'll be able to contribute some minutes at some point

but on next year's team? nope
Why not? Perry Ellis was #24 in the country on Rivals, and he didn't start.

I think Embiid is going to be a better pro prospect than college freshman. He has tons of physical talent, but I see him getting into some defensive trouble.

You can mark me down as saying Lucas could surprise a lot of people. And he'll start, because there are no other big men who know the offensive sets as well or what HCBS wants out of the defensive strategy.

Self ALWAYS goes with experience and defense first. When Embiid starts learning what his job is and can play in position without fouling, he could start, but I just always bet on the guy who's spent a year practicing getting the nod early in the season.
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Old 05-21-2013, 06:32 PM   #890
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Yeah, unless Traylor takes a step backwards, I can see him getting quite a few minutes next year.
I think all five bigs will get a lot of minutes in non-con play. Once we hit January, I have no idea what will happen.

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At least we can conversations on who should get the minutes. That wasn't the case a few weeks ago.
Sweet, sweet depth.

Dude, we have THREE guys who should be pushing for serious playing time at the 2/3 spot. Except they won't, because we have the #1 player in the country there.

Amazing team next year. So amazing.
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:13 PM   #891
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Why not? Perry Ellis was #24 in the country on Rivals, and he didn't start.

I think Embiid is going to be a better pro prospect than college freshman. He has tons of physical talent, but I see him getting into some defensive trouble.

You can mark me down as saying Lucas could surprise a lot of people. And he'll start, because there are no other big men who know the offensive sets as well or what HCBS wants out of the defensive strategy.

Self ALWAYS goes with experience and defense first. When Embiid starts learning what his job is and can play in position without fouling, he could start, but I just always bet on the guy who's spent a year practicing getting the nod early in the season.
Excellent post. That's what I think. I bet Lucas becomes a far better player than people expect. I'd guess his rebounds per minute will be very high.
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:57 PM   #892
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Excellent post. That's what I think. I bet Lucas becomes a far better player than people expect. I'd guess his rebounds per minute will be very high.
So you like Lucas, but not Ellis?
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Old 05-21-2013, 08:15 PM   #893
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So you like Lucas, but not Ellis?
Ellis is going all blows up this year. I have never seen the lights come on for a player the way they did for him last year. It was incredible.

I just realized how much happier I would be if this were a completely KU-basketball related board. Oh well, back to the "Chiefs have losing record or lose their 2nd round pick" dumpster fire thread.
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Old 05-21-2013, 08:19 PM   #894
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So you like Lucas, but not Ellis?
Ellis should be much better this year. He had a rough first year for sure. Of course the expectations for Ellis should be much higher than Lucas no? He should benefit from another year of weight training too.
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Ellis is going all blows up this year. I have never seen the lights come on for a player the way they did for him last year. It was incredible.

I just realized how much happier I would be if this were a completely KU-basketball related board. Oh well, back to the "Chiefs have losing record or lose their 2nd round pick" dumpster fire thread.
But dude, we also talk about the Royals here.
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Self ALWAYS goes with experience and defense first.
Not true at all. See: Wright, Arthur, Henry, Selby, McLemore.


Self plays talent even if its young talent. What Self does NOT do is redshirt a guy and the have him starting his (RS) freshman year over more talented guys - in his own words, he redshirts guys because they will be a nonfactor at 18 but will contribute at 21 or 22.

Of all the guys Self has redshirted, show me one that started over a top 10 recruit the next year (the closest example is Morningstar starting over Elijah, who was a 30-40 recruit, not top 10). He saves them for their junior/senior years when KU is short at a position (Reed, Teahan, Releford).
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But dude, we also talk about the Royals here.
And Mizzou sports, which is lifeless and pointless as they are not winning championships any time soon.

If it weren't for KU basketball...wow, the Midwest would be a laughing stock for sports.
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Not true at all. See: Wright, Arthur, Henry, Selby, McLemore.


Self plays talent even if its young talent. What Self does NOT do is redshirt a guy and the have him starting his (RS) freshman year over more talented guys - in his own words, he redshirts guys because they will be a nonfactor at 18 but will contribute at 21 or 22.

Of all the guys Self has redshirted, show me one that started over a top 10 recruit the next year (the closest example is Morningstar starting over Elijah, who was a 30-40 recruit, not top 10). He saves them for their junior/senior years when KU is short at a position (Reed, Teahan, Releford).
Self has said that he prefers to recruit/have great offensive players and make them great defenders as well. If he had to choose he'd rather pick up a great offensive guy that is lacking on the D and make him a better defender to round out his game. He likes to make players work on both ends so they are ready to have a long tenured NBA career.
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