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Old 04-02-2013, 01:07 PM  
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NRA "school safety" plan calls for trained, armed school staff

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Among the recommendations outlined in the report include a "model training program" that would train school resource officers to respond in crisis situations, changes in state laws where necessary so that school resource officers would be allowed to carry firearms in school, increased coordination between law enforcement and schools on security matters, the implementation of a pilot program on "threat assessment and mental health," more comprehensive requirements for schools on safety measures, and federal and NRA-sponsored resources to facilitate those requirements.

"We looked at the technology of the schools, we looked at the interior and an exterior doors, access controls, architecture and design of the schools. And then we look at the armed officers whether it's an SRO, which is a school resource officer, to the staff that may be armed or considering being armed," Hutchinson said. "And obviously, we believe they make a difference in the various layers of security that add to school safety."

Hutchinson said that, per the Shield Initiative's plan, school resource officers tasked with carrying a gun in school would have to undergo 40-60 hours of training, as well as an extensive background check, for certification to do so. He estimated that would cost about $800-1,000 per person, and that while the report does not recommend a specific number of trained, armed SROs per school, each should have at least one.

"Let me emphasize, this is not talking about all teachers," he said. "Teachers should teach. But if there is a personnel that has good experience and has an interest in it, and is willing to go through this training of, again, 40 to 60 hours that is totally comprehensive, then that is an appropriate resource that a school should be able to utilize."

Almost identical to the plan I proposed!
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Old 04-02-2013, 01:13 PM   #2
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Here was my post on this back in mid December

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I am not sure we need additional dedicated security personnel. If I ran a school district, I would take the money that would be spent there and instead create an Armed Emergency Responder (patent pending) training program. Let school staff and even parents or whoever go through a training program that is equivalent to what police officers go through in regard to firearms, add in some medical and pysch training as well and then require yearly continuing ed to maintain certification. With that cert. you would be allowed to carry on school grounds.

Provides trained armed security(assuming people actually sign up for it) and also would give you more people trained in first aid and most importantly psychological issues ranging from early warning sign detection to dealing with issues after the fact.
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Old 04-02-2013, 01:32 PM   #3
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Here was my post on this back in mid December

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Thus passed in SD in February.

It makes the most sense.
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Old 04-02-2013, 01:40 PM   #4
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Thus passed in SD in February.

It makes the most sense.
It makes perfect sense.. but when I brought it up with some "guys" at a bar (I use the term "guys" loosely because they were liberals) the immediate response was "YOU IDIOT, I THINK TEACHERS SHOULD TEACH NOT GO AROUND SHOOTING PEOPLE!!! OMG! OH NOES!!!" The histrionics from the antigun crowd is ridiculous.
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Old 04-02-2013, 01:55 PM   #5
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makes sense to me.

then again, I'm not retarded when it comes to firearms.
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Old 04-02-2013, 02:03 PM   #6
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It makes perfect sense.. but when I brought it up with some "guys" at a bar (I use the term "guys" loosely because they were liberals) the immediate response was "YOU IDIOT, I THINK TEACHERS SHOULD TEACH NOT GO AROUND SHOOTING PEOPLE!!! OMG! OH NOES!!!" The histrionics from the antigun crowd is ridiculous.
It is amazing. The left (95%) are fans of Obama. It is the strangest thing I have ever witnessed. They cheer for him and blindly follow his every move. You can see it here. Idiots that do not have a ****ing clue about guns raging against gun owners. I would wager the majority of them never even thought about guns until they received their marching orders. We know where the crimes are committed and we know how to prevent many of them. But their marching orders are guns are bad and they should be banned~
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Old 04-02-2013, 02:06 PM   #7
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It is amazing. The left (95%) are fans of Obama. It is the strangest thing I have ever witnessed. They cheer for him and blindly follow his every move. You can see it here. Idiots that do not have a ****ing clue about guns raging against gun owners. I would wager the majority of them never even thought about guns until they received their marching orders. We know where the crimes are committed and we know how to prevent many of them. But their marching orders are guns are bad and they should be banned~
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Old 04-02-2013, 03:34 PM   #8
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It makes perfect sense.. but when I brought it up with some "guys" at a bar (I use the term "guys" loosely because they were liberals) the immediate response was "YOU IDIOT, I THINK TEACHERS SHOULD TEACH NOT GO AROUND SHOOTING PEOPLE!!! OMG! OH NOES!!!" The histrionics from the antigun crowd is ridiculous.
I'm a gun owner and I find the histrionics far worse from the NRA bots. That said, the conversation needs to be elevated beyond tribal politics. If not, nothing will ever change.

As for the plan: A trained SRO is fine. Preferably off-duty or retired cops. If not, then the training needs to be of the highest standards. Teachers: an emphatic no. Just plain stupid. Go ahead and throw in metal detectors at the door. That's fine, if there's a budget for it. Improving mental health screening is fine. But background checks need to be improved across the board. Training at gun stores needs to be improved. (I've seen two people buy guns while intoxicated. And both times were at a large gun retailer.) It's common sense. And there needs to be an honest dialogue. One that isn't driven by gun makers' avarice cloaked under the veil of the 2nd amendment. JMHO
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I'm a gun owner and I find the histrionics far worse from the NRA bots. That said, the conversation needs to be elevated beyond tribal politics. If not, nothing will ever change.

As for the plan: A trained SRO is fine. Preferably off-duty or retired cops. If not, then the training needs to be of the highest standards. Teachers: an emphatic no. Just plain stupid. Go ahead and throw in metal detectors at the door. That's fine, if there's a budget for it. Improving mental health screening is fine. But background checks need to be improved across the board. Training at gun stores needs to be improved. (I've seen two people buy guns while intoxicated. And both times were at a large gun retailer.) It's common sense. And there needs to be an honest dialogue. One that isn't driven by gun makers' avarice cloaked under the veil of the 2nd amendment. JMHO
I agree with all of this EXCEPT your objection to teachers being allowed to go through training and then carrying. I find it ridiculous and somewhat idiotic that you think teachers somehow can't handle it. The idea that a cop or ex-military somehow has a magic ability to handle a gun that transcends regular people is just plain stupid. Do you know how LITTLE training cops often get in regards to firearms?

I have no problem with most of the rest of your post except that metal detectors are almost useless , a giant pain in the ass and an unneeded expense.

Your blanket objection to teachers being allowed to carry boggles my mind.
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Old 04-02-2013, 05:08 PM   #10
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Do you know how LITTLE training cops often get in regards to firearms?
No, but the public assumes most are proficient enough to bring down bad guys in extreme situations.
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No, but the public assumes most are proficient enough to bring down bad guys in extreme situations.
The public assumes a lot of things that are not correct.
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I agree with all of this EXCEPT your objection to teachers being allowed to go through training and then carrying. I find it ridiculous and somewhat idiotic that you think teachers somehow can't handle it. The idea that a cop or ex-military somehow has a magic ability to handle a gun that transcends regular people is just plain stupid. Do you know how LITTLE training cops often get in regards to firearms?

I have no problem with most of the rest of your post except that metal detectors are almost useless , a giant pain in the ass and an unneeded expense.

Your blanket objection to teachers being allowed to carry boggles my mind.
We trust school faculty with the safety of our children 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. But not with a gun.
We expect them to keep our children safe from harm and refuse to allow them the tools to do that very thing in the most dire of circumstances. That is what's just plain stupid.
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We trust school faculty with the safety of our children 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. But not with a gun.
We expect them to keep our children safe from harm and refuse to allow them the tools to do that very thing in the most dire of circumstances. That is what's just plain stupid.
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