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Old 04-02-2013, 01:07 PM  
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NRA "school safety" plan calls for trained, armed school staff

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Among the recommendations outlined in the report include a "model training program" that would train school resource officers to respond in crisis situations, changes in state laws where necessary so that school resource officers would be allowed to carry firearms in school, increased coordination between law enforcement and schools on security matters, the implementation of a pilot program on "threat assessment and mental health," more comprehensive requirements for schools on safety measures, and federal and NRA-sponsored resources to facilitate those requirements.

"We looked at the technology of the schools, we looked at the interior and an exterior doors, access controls, architecture and design of the schools. And then we look at the armed officers whether it's an SRO, which is a school resource officer, to the staff that may be armed or considering being armed," Hutchinson said. "And obviously, we believe they make a difference in the various layers of security that add to school safety."

Hutchinson said that, per the Shield Initiative's plan, school resource officers tasked with carrying a gun in school would have to undergo 40-60 hours of training, as well as an extensive background check, for certification to do so. He estimated that would cost about $800-1,000 per person, and that while the report does not recommend a specific number of trained, armed SROs per school, each should have at least one.

"Let me emphasize, this is not talking about all teachers," he said. "Teachers should teach. But if there is a personnel that has good experience and has an interest in it, and is willing to go through this training of, again, 40 to 60 hours that is totally comprehensive, then that is an appropriate resource that a school should be able to utilize."

Almost identical to the plan I proposed!
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Old 04-02-2013, 07:34 PM   #16
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But the fact people [think] it to be so shapes reality.
True. it all stems from ignorance and an irrational fear of guns. Guns are so far outside their comfortable world view that only SPECIAL SUPER PEOPLE sanctioned by the government are qualified to use them. Primitive people often attribute what they don;t understand to "magic"... it's the same thing with (most) liberals and guns.
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:40 PM   #17
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We use armed guards everywhere except to protect our kids.


Makes sense.
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:45 PM   #18
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Your blanket objection to teachers being allowed to carry boggles my mind.
Then I feel sorry for you.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:04 PM   #19
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Then I feel sorry for you.
And your concern for kid's safety is misguided.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:09 PM   #20
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We use armed guards everywhere except to protect our kids.


Makes sense.
We do?
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:13 PM   #21
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Then I feel sorry for you.
Why? You have yet to make a justification for why a teacher (or a janitor or a principal or whoever) shouldn't be allowed to carry after they have had sufficient training and screening.

What is the teacher is like one of my favorites from high school. COLONEL Bill Childs. Vietnam vet, graduate of Virginia Military Institute. You honestly think he shouldn't be allowed to carry? Or is he an exception because he passes your magic bar that says he has the super powers it takes to handle a gun properly.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:22 PM   #22
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Why? You have yet to make a justification for why a teacher (or a janitor or a principal or whoever) shouldn't be allowed to carry after they have had sufficient training and screening.

What is the teacher is like one of my favorites from high school. COLONEL Bill Childs. Vietnam vet, graduate of Virginia Military Institute. You honestly think he shouldn't be allowed to carry? Or is he an exception because he passes your magic bar that says he has the super powers it takes to handle a gun properly.
Speaking as a parent I don't know how comfortable I would be knowing one of my kids teachers is packing.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:43 PM   #23
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..... I don't know how comfortable I would be knowing...teacher is packing.
Which is exactly what a coward wanting to go on a shooting spree would think. He wants the easy target.

I've said it before...teacher doesn't have to be packing. Have a handgun course for any teacher wanting to take it. Let the public know that our teachers are now trained in firearms. The idea that you might get fired back upon will be enough of a deterrent to keep these cowards away. These wimps don't know if there's four, forty, or nobody armed in the building and they won't have the guts to find out up close.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:51 PM   #24
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Speaking as a parent I don't know how comfortable I would be knowing one of my kids teachers is packing.
But you are comfortable letting those same people you don't know fill your kids' head with what you hope is just arithmetic and reading skills?


And to think, there was actually a time when the majority of the people in this country didn't get kooky over the thought of firearms.
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Which is exactly what a coward wanting to go on a shooting spree would think. He wants the easy target.

I've said it before...teacher doesn't have to be packing. Have a handgun course for any teacher wanting to take it. Let the public know that our teachers are now trained in firearms. The idea that you might get fired back upon will be enough of a deterrent to keep these cowards away. These wimps don't know if there's four, forty, or nobody armed in the building and they won't have the guts to find out up close.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:54 PM   #26
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Which is exactly what a coward wanting to go on a shooting spree would think. He wants the easy target.

I've said it before...teacher doesn't have to be packing. Have a handgun course for any teacher wanting to take it. Let the public know that our teachers are now trained in firearms. The idea that you might get fired back upon will be enough of a deterrent to keep these cowards away. These wimps don't know if there's four, forty, or nobody armed in the building and they won't have the guts to find out up close.
Unless they are the really disturbed ones who intend to go with their victims. I say let the teachers carry an AR slung over their shoulders if they should so choose.
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Which is exactly what a coward wanting to go on a shooting spree would think. He wants the easy target.

I've said it before...teacher doesn't have to be packing. Have a handgun course for any teacher wanting to take it. Let the public know that our teachers are now trained in firearms. The idea that you might get fired back upon will be enough of a deterrent to keep these cowards away. These wimps don't know if there's four, forty, or nobody armed in the building and they won't have the guts to find out up close.
I don't think alot of these school shootings are about easy targets they are about payback. If it was just about easy targets they would be shooting up malls, churches, theaters or the other million places where there is no armed security on a regular basis.
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But you are comfortable letting those same people you don't know fill your kids' head with what you hope is just arithmetic and reading skills?


And to think, there was actually a time when the majority of the people in this country didn't get kooky over the thought of firearms.
Last time I checked having bad teachers won't kill my kid it will just make him a retard like you.
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:24 PM   #29
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I don't think alot of these school shootings are about easy targets they are about payback. If it was just about easy targets they would be shooting up malls, churches, theaters or the other million places where there is no armed security on a regular basis.
Point taken, however most malls, churches and theaters are not "Gun Free Zones" and legal ccw's are allowed to carry there.

I agree that SOME school shootings are about payback. These cowards run different scenarios through their heads over and over about getting revenge and killing everyone. However, once their "dream killing" is interupted by return fire, they shit their pants and take off running. (If a teacher was allowed to be armed)

I've posted videos of 2 armed robbers being turned back by an old man shooting at them, a video of 4 armed men being turned back by an old man shooting at them, and 12 armed thugs being turned back by (iirc) one man shooting back at them.

Point being, criminals have an idea of how things are going to play out until someone fires a round at them. Once their plan goes to shit, they high tail it.

Also, I think by now we've all seen the interviews with hardened criminals flat out say that they don't mess with houses or business' where they know the occupants are armed. They take there business to an easier target.
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:27 PM   #30
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Last time I checked having bad teachers won't kill my kid it will just make him a retard like you.
I, by far, don't like the idea of EVERY teacher armed. Let me be clear about that. I had teachers I wouldn't trust with a BB gun.

However, I do like the idea of my kids school being known as a hard target instead of a soft target. Whether it be fact or in theory to the wackos.
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