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Old 04-02-2013, 01:07 PM  
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NRA "school safety" plan calls for trained, armed school staff

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Among the recommendations outlined in the report include a "model training program" that would train school resource officers to respond in crisis situations, changes in state laws where necessary so that school resource officers would be allowed to carry firearms in school, increased coordination between law enforcement and schools on security matters, the implementation of a pilot program on "threat assessment and mental health," more comprehensive requirements for schools on safety measures, and federal and NRA-sponsored resources to facilitate those requirements.

"We looked at the technology of the schools, we looked at the interior and an exterior doors, access controls, architecture and design of the schools. And then we look at the armed officers whether it's an SRO, which is a school resource officer, to the staff that may be armed or considering being armed," Hutchinson said. "And obviously, we believe they make a difference in the various layers of security that add to school safety."

Hutchinson said that, per the Shield Initiative's plan, school resource officers tasked with carrying a gun in school would have to undergo 40-60 hours of training, as well as an extensive background check, for certification to do so. He estimated that would cost about $800-1,000 per person, and that while the report does not recommend a specific number of trained, armed SROs per school, each should have at least one.

"Let me emphasize, this is not talking about all teachers," he said. "Teachers should teach. But if there is a personnel that has good experience and has an interest in it, and is willing to go through this training of, again, 40 to 60 hours that is totally comprehensive, then that is an appropriate resource that a school should be able to utilize."

Almost identical to the plan I proposed!
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:39 PM   #31
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Point taken, however most malls, churches and theaters are not "Gun Free Zones" and legal ccw's are allowed to carry there.

I agree that SOME school shootings are about payback. These cowards run different scenarios through their heads over and over about getting revenge and killing everyone. However, once their "dream killing" is interupted by return fire, they shit their pants and take off running. (If a teacher was allowed to be armed)

I've posted videos of 2 armed robbers being turned back by an old man shooting at them, a video of 4 armed men being turned back by an old man shooting at them, and 12 armed thugs being turned back by (iirc) one man shooting back at them.

Point being, criminals have an idea of how things are going to play out until someone fires a round at them. Once their plan goes to shit, they high tail it.

Also, I think by now we've all seen the interviews with hardened criminals flat out say that they don't mess with houses or business' where they know the occupants are armed. They take there business to an easier target.
I don't disagree with alot of what you say but I think these school shootings are a different animal. These kids that do these know the school inside and out and that is why I think an armed guard isn't going to be anything but the first casualty and they will certainly know who the armed teacher(s) are as well. But I agree that does throw a wrinkle in their plans especially if there is multiple.

And for the record I don't think Raiderhader is a retard he is pretty smart most of the time. I have been reading to much about retards in the other thread.
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:44 PM   #32
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Last time I checked having bad teachers won't kill my kid it will just make him a retard like you.
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:48 PM   #33
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Speaking as a parent I don't know how comfortable I would be knowing one of my kids teachers is packing.
Even if you knew they had to go through rigorous screening and training? Would you be more comfortable with some random security guard???? Absolutely agree that there are certain people I don't trust with guns... but that is what the screening and training are for. We aren't talking about just handing out guns at the next teachers conference.
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:52 PM   #34
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These kids that do these know the school inside and out and that is why I think an armed guard isn't going to be anything but the first casualty...
I won't argue there. An armed guard is definitely the first target.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:13 AM   #35
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And your concern for kid's safety is misguided.
Yes, yes. By all means, let's task our educators with law enforcement and public safety duties. Let's depend on them to take out a gunman when needed. And they damn well better not accidentally hit any of the kids while they're doing it. But if they do, I'm sure the courts will be glad to handle it.

Now some of you may say that several teachers' organizations, representing millions of teachers, have voiced their opinion that they vehemently oppose arming teachers in our schools. So what? They only work there. Who are they to say? Parents? Screw them too.

These teachers, parents and others dare to claim that expecting a teacher to suddenly switch from nurturing & teaching kids to killing someone in a law enforcement/public safety role is an untenable expectation. They say it's folly to expect teachers to do what police officers train for full time with a little extra time at the shooting range. They say that other options are available. Well I say, if arming teachers in any way helps to keep assault rifles legal for me to purchase... then so be it. 2nd amendment mf'ers.

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Old 04-03-2013, 01:29 PM   #36
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Yes, yes. By all means, let's task our educators with law enforcement and public safety duties. Let's depend on them to take out a gunman when needed. And they damn well better not accidentally hit any of the kids while they're doing it. But if they do, I'm sure the courts will be glad to handle it.

Now some of you may say that several teachers' organizations, representing millions of teachers, have voiced their opinion that they vehemently oppose arming teachers in our schools. So what? They only work there. Who are they to say? Parents? Screw them too.

These teachers, parents and others dare to claim that expecting a teacher to suddenly switch from nurturing & teaching kids to killing someone in a law enforcement/public safety role is an untenable expectation. They say it's folly to expect teachers to do what police officers train for full time with a little extra time at the shooting range. They say that other options are available. Well I say, if arming teachers in any way helps to keep assault rifles legal for me to purchase... then so be it. 2nd amendment mf'ers.

God bless you all. Thank you and good day.
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Old 04-03-2013, 02:08 PM   #37
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Yes, yes. By all means, let's task our educators with law enforcement and public safety duties. Let's depend on them to take out a gunman when needed. And they damn well better not accidentally hit any of the kids while they're doing it. But if they do, I'm sure the courts will be glad to handle it.

Now some of you may say that several teachers' organizations, representing millions of teachers, have voiced their opinion that they vehemently oppose arming teachers in our schools. So what? They only work there. Who are they to say? Parents? Screw them too.

These teachers, parents and others dare to claim that expecting a teacher to suddenly switch from nurturing & teaching kids to killing someone in a law enforcement/public safety role is an untenable expectation. They say it's folly to expect teachers to do what police officers train for full time with a little extra time at the shooting range. They say that other options are available. Well I say, if arming teachers in any way helps to keep assault rifles legal for me to purchase... then so be it. 2nd amendment mf'ers.

God bless you all. Thank you and good day.
Gotta give you credit, nice rant. Don't agree with most of it but it still its a nice rant.
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Old 04-03-2013, 05:12 PM   #38
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Which is exactly what a coward wanting to go on a shooting spree would think. He wants the easy target.

I've said it before...teacher doesn't have to be packing. Have a handgun course for any teacher wanting to take it. Let the public know that our teachers are now trained in firearms. The idea that you might get fired back upon will be enough of a deterrent to keep these cowards away. These wimps don't know if there's four, forty, or nobody armed in the building and they won't have the guts to find out up close.
This.

Its the same concept as having armed air marshals on "every" flight... its a strong deterrent that gives people pause before acting.
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Old 04-03-2013, 06:20 PM   #39
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Yes, yes. By all means, let's task our educators with law enforcement and public safety duties. Let's depend on them to take out a gunman when needed. And they damn well better not accidentally hit any of the kids while they're doing it. But if they do, I'm sure the courts will be glad to handle it.

Now some of you may say that several teachers' organizations, representing millions of teachers, have voiced their opinion that they vehemently oppose arming teachers in our schools. So what? They only work there. Who are they to say? Parents? Screw them too.

These teachers, parents and others dare to claim that expecting a teacher to suddenly switch from nurturing & teaching kids to killing someone in a law enforcement/public safety role is an untenable expectation. They say it's folly to expect teachers to do what police officers train for full time with a little extra time at the shooting range. They say that other options are available. Well I say, if arming teachers in any way helps to keep assault rifles legal for me to purchase... then so be it. 2nd amendment mf'ers.

God bless you all. Thank you and good day.

Most parents wouldn't have a problem switching roles. Don't know why another nurturer would. Seriously, weakest part of your argument.
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Old 04-03-2013, 06:21 PM   #40
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Most parents wouldn't have a problem switching roles. Don't know why another nurturer would. Seriously, weakest part of your argument.
I'm not in an educator role but I will say if I was ever in a position where kids were being plinked off like beer cans on a post I'd automatically try to intervene. And I'd much rather have the opportunity to intervene with a weapon instead of just flesh.
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I'm not in an educator role but I will say if I was ever in a position where kids were being plinked off like beer cans on a post I'd automatically try to intervene. And I'd much rather have the opportunity to intervene with a weapon instead of just flesh.
Absolutely. All of that is just common sense. Well.... To most of us.
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This.

Its the same concept as having armed air marshals on "every" flight... its a strong deterrent that gives people pause before acting.
Great comparison. I wish I'd thought of it before. It would've saved me a lot of typing
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Schools house probably what we consider our most precious things, our kids. It isn't any accident deranged animals attack them to make the biggest signature statement of their lives.

It is incredibly stupid for us not to protect that resource.
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One of the gun-grabbing members of Michael Bloomberg’s organization, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, recently found himself trying to lure a man into a sexual encounter through the liberal use of alcohol. When the charm and alcohol didn’t do the trick, James ‘Jay’ Schiliro (R) decided to go a different route – firing a handgun into a wall in an attempt at intimidation.

The mayor who, as the title suggests, is against illegal guns, was forced to hand over his firearm collection, and has been charged with several crimes.

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A member of the Michael Bloomberg-sponsored gun control organization “Mayors Against Illegal Guns” has been arrested and charged in connection with a handgun incident at his home.

James Schiliro, a.k.a. Jay Schiliro, the mayor of Marcus Hook, a small town in Delaware County, Pennsylvania, faces charges of official oppression, reckless endangerment, unlawful restraint, false imprisonment, and furnishing a minor with alcohol. He surrendered to authorities on Thursday morning, and his attorney declared that “we intend to fight these charges.”

Schiliro, 38, allegedly ordered a local police officer to bring a 20-year-old male friend to his home, where the mayor plied him with alcohol, and made sexual advances which the man refused. Schiliro allegedly brandished several handguns and fired one of them into the floor in an apparent attempt to intimidate the young man, who reportedly was in fear of his life.

The mayor was freed on $50,000 bail and told to stay away from the alleged victim and give up his stash of firearms.

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When the man repeatedly refused, Schiliro, who as mayor controls the police department, started to pull out handguns, informed the man that he was “going to be a hostage,” fired a 9 mm bullet into the wall and said that he’d ordered police to stay away from the house, the report states.

And an article in the Daily Local News indicates the mayor tried to dump his firearm collection, selling eight weapons shortly after the incident.

According to the Examiner, Schiliro was one of 600 mayors who recently signed a letter asking the U.S. Senate to enact tougher gun laws.

You know, the kind that would keep a drunken mayor from demanding gay sex with a handgun. Is that anywhere in President Obama’s executive orders?
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