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New Discovery: NASA Study Proves Carbon Dioxide Cools Atmosphere

A recent NASA report throws the space agency into conflict with its climatologists after new NASA measurements prove that carbon dioxide acts as a coolant in Earth's atmosphere.

NASA's Langley Research Center has collated data proving that “greenhouse gases” actually block up to 95 percent of harmful solar rays from reaching our planet, thus reducing the heating impact of the sun. The data was collected by Sounding of the Atmosphere using Broadband Emission Radiometry, (or SABER). SABER monitors infrared emissions from Earth’s upper atmosphere, in particular from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances thought to be playing a key role in the energy balance of air above our planet’s surface.

NASA's Langley Research Center instruments show that the thermosphere not only received a whopping 26 billion kilowatt hours of energy from the sun during a recent burst of solar activity, but that in the upper atmospheric carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide molecules sent as much as 95% of that radiation straight back out into space.

The shock revelation starkly contradicts the core proposition of the so-called greenhouse gas theory which claims that more CO2 means more warming for our planet. However, this compelling new NASA data disproves that notion and is a huge embarrassment for NASA's chief climatologist, Dr James Hansen and his team over at NASA's GISS.

Already, the International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has been in full retreat after having to concede a 17-year stall in global warming despite levels of atmopheric CO2 rising almost 40 percent in recent decades. The new SABER data now forms part of a real world double whammy against climatologists' computer models that have always been programmed to show CO2 as a warming gas.

The SABER evidence also makes a mockery of the statement on the NASA GISS website (by Hansen underling Gavin Schmidt) claiming, "the greenhouse effect keeps the planet much warmer than it would be otherwise." [1]

As NASA's SABER team at Langley admits:

"This is a new frontier in the sun-Earth connection," says associate principal investigator Martin Mlynczak, "and the data we’re collecting are unprecedented."

Over at Principia Scientific International (PSI) greenhouse gas effect (GHE) critic, Alan Siddons is hailing the findings. Siddons and his colleagues have been winning support from hundreds of independent scientists for their GHE studies carried out over the last seven years. PSI has proved that the numbers fed into computer models by Hansen and others were based on a faulty interpretation of the laws of thermodynamics. PSI also recently uncovered long overlooked evidence from the American Meteorological Society (AMS) that shows it was widely known the GHE was discredited prior to 1951. [2]

Pointedly, a much-trumpeted new book released this month by Rupert Darwall claims to help expose the back story of how the junk GHE theory was conveniently resuscitated in the 1980's by James Hansen and others to serve an environmental policy agenda at that time. [3]

As the SABER research report states:

A recent flurry of eruptions on the sun did more than spark pretty auroras around the poles. NASA-funded researchers say the solar storms of March 8th through 10th dumped enough energy in Earth’s upper atmosphere to power every residence in New York City for two years.

“This was the biggest dose of heat we’ve received from a solar storm since 2005,” says Martin Mlynczak of NASA Langley Research Center. “It was a big event, and shows how solar activity can directly affect our planet.”

As PSI's own space scientists have confirmed, as solar energy penetrates deeper into our atmosphere, even more of its energy will end up being sent straight back out to space, thus preventing it heating up the surface of our earth. The NASA Langley Research Center report agrees with PSI by admitting:

“Carbon dioxide and nitric oxide are natural thermostats,” explains James Russell of Hampton University, SABER’s principal investigator. “When the upper atmosphere (or ‘thermosphere’) heats up, these molecules try as hard as they can to shed that heat back into space.”

To those independent scientists and engineers at Principia Scientific International this is not news. The “natural thermostat” effect of CO2 has long been known by applied scientists and engineers how have exploited it's remarkable properties in the manufacturer of refrigerators and air conditioning systems. The fledgling independent science body has repeatedly shown in it's openly peer reviewed papers that atmospheric carbon dioxide does not cause global warming nor climate change.

Some diehard climate alarmists will still say that in the lower atmosphere the action of carbon dioxide is reversed, but there is no actual proof of this at all. PSI suggests it is time for the SABER team to have a word with James Hansen.

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[1] Schmidt, G., 'Taking the Measure of the Greenhouse Effect,' (October, 2010), http://www.giss.nasa.gov (accessed online: March 26, 2013).

[2] Brooks, C.E.P. (1951). “Geological and Historical Aspects of Climatic Change.” In Compendium of Meteorology, edited by Thomas F. Malone, pp. 1004-18 (at 1016). Boston: American Meteorological Association. It shows the American Meteorological Society had refuted the concept of a GHE in 1951 in its Compendium of Meteorology. The AMS stated that the idea that CO2 could alter the climate “was never widely accepted and was abandoned when it was found that all the long-wave radiation [that would be] absorbed by CO2 is [already] absorbed by water vapor.”

[3] Darwall, R., 'The Age of Global Warming: A History,' (March, 2013), Quartet Books, London.

http://principia-scientific.org/supp...tmosphere.html

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Old 04-02-2013, 11:11 PM   #2
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:33 PM   #3
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:51 PM   #4
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Yep, the actual report and this article have little to do with each other. I have little tolerance for bad "science" from either side of this debate.
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Old 04-03-2013, 12:06 AM   #6
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Old 04-03-2013, 12:07 AM   #7
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Old 04-03-2013, 02:20 AM   #8
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Yes this was done by an organization that has an interest to prove a point they want in short zero credibility.....

Per the original Nasa report.....

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“Carbon dioxide and nitric oxide are natural thermostats,” explains James Russell of Hampton University, SABER’s principal investigator. “When the upper atmosphere (or ‘thermosphere’) heats up, these molecules try as hard as they can to shed that heat back into space.”
So another simple way to think about what's going on is that CO2 and NO are natural insulators. And you know an insulator not only keeps the stuff on the outside from getting in....but it also keeps the stuff on the inside from getting out. So yes it's perfectly reasonable to say that not only does CO protect us from excessive solar radiation from solar flares and solar storms, it also traps the heat generated on the surface within the atmosphere too.

Now to answer the question of what impact this has on overall global warming would be to ask which factor dominates. Increased protection from external radiation, or increased trapping of internal temperatures? That's a question to understand not some bullshit let's push our own agenda crap.....

BTW this is in their 'about'....totally unbiased.......

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Principia Scientific International (PSI) was originally conceived in 2010 after 22 international climate experts and authors joined forces to write the climate science bestseller, ‘Slaying the Sky Dragon: Death of the Greenhouse Gas Theory.’

The two-volume publication is the world’s first and only detailed refutation of the greenhouse gas effect. According to prominent climate skeptic, Lord Monckton the book soon became " the talk of the Cancun Climate Conference."
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Old 04-03-2013, 03:58 AM   #9
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I like how they keep referencing themselves in the third person...

It was written by J. O'Sullivan and H. Schreuder, who just so happen to be the CFO and CEO of Principia Scientific International.

http://principia-scientific.org/abou...ate-assoc.html

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Over at Principia Scientific International (PSI) greenhouse gas effect (GHE) critic, Alan Siddons is hailing the findings.
LOL... Alan Siddons is listed as a Founder Member of Principia Scientific International.

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Siddons and his colleagues have been winning support from hundreds of independent scientists for their GHE studies carried out over the last seven years.
The authors are Siddon's colleagues...

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As PSI's own space scientists have confirmed, as solar energy penetrates deeper into our atmosphere, even more of its energy will end up being sent straight back out to space, thus preventing it heating up the surface of our earth.
PSI's own "Space scientists"....

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To those independent scientists and engineers at Principia Scientific International this is not news. The “natural thermostat” effect of CO2 has long been known by applied scientists and engineers how have exploited it's remarkable properties in the manufacturer of refrigerators and air conditioning systems.
Loss for words.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:46 AM   #10
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:49 AM   #11
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:59 AM   #12
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BTW this is in their 'about'....totally unbiased.......

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Principia Scientific International (PSI) was originally conceived in 2010 after 22 international climate experts and authors joined forces to write the climate science bestseller, ‘Slaying the Sky Dragon: Death of the Greenhouse Gas Theory.’

The two-volume publication is the world’s first and only detailed refutation of the greenhouse gas effect. According to prominent climate skeptic, Lord Monckton the book soon became " the talk of the Cancun Climate Conference."

Well, when esteemed "gentlemen" have written papers or books supporting the theory of man-made global warming, they are called experts in the field of climatology.

If they have written books or papers contesting the validity of man-made global warming they are called biased nuts.

Pretty sweet for the proponents of man-made global swindling.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:03 AM   #13
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:23 AM   #14
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Well, when esteemed "gentlemen" have written papers or books supporting the theory of man-made global warming, they are called experts in the field of climatology.

If they have written books or papers contesting the validity of man-made global warming they are called biased nuts.

Pretty sweet for the proponents of man-made global swindling.
It's not that they have an opposing viewpoint. It's the fact that they're misrepresenting the NASA study and using statements out of context to try and support something different and incorrect. The NASA study was describing the effects in the thermosphere. The article was trying to apply the same result of the NASA study to the lower atmosphere. But that's not how it works. The upper atmosphere does block exactly what was listed in the NASA study. But the lower atmosphere, where the greenhouse effect happens, also does the opposite, as CrazyPhud pointed out already. The lower atmosphere traps energy from leaving, for the same reasons the upper atmosphere prevents energy from entering. And that's the problem. Man made CO2 output has increased, and more of it is being trapped in the lower atmosphere because it can't leave, contributing to climate change.

This isn't a controversial idea either. This article is just completely misrepresenting the info.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:30 AM   #15
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