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Old 04-03-2013, 06:00 AM  
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Chiefs | Looking at only three for top pick
Tue, 02 Apr 2013 17:55:04 -0700

The Kansas City Chiefs are looking at only three players for the top overall pick in the 2013 NFL Draft - Central Michigan OT Eric Fisher, Texas A&M OT Luke Joeckel and Oregon DE Dion Jordan, according to sources.



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Old 04-03-2013, 12:51 PM   #136
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If Chiefs draft Geno I will give you $500 and leave the forum forever. If they don't draft Geno you and PencilDick have to leave forever.
Haha

Nah. How about I leave till preseason and I get 200 if they draft Geno?
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Old 04-03-2013, 12:52 PM   #137
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Because Russ "Nassib is the #1 QB in this class" Lande said it? **** no. Dude doesn't know shit.
Exactly and all of a sudden NFL.com gives Lande credit.

Also Lande said the Chiefs are looking for 2 second round picks for Albert and that made yahoo sports.
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Old 04-03-2013, 12:53 PM   #138
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Haha

Nah. How about I leave till preseason and I get 200 if they draft Geno?
Nah. You were just thrown in because you enjoy the city of 5 seasons. Not worth it to me for that.
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Old 04-03-2013, 12:55 PM   #139
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If Chiefs draft Geno I will give you $500 and leave the forum forever. If they don't draft Geno you and PencilDick have to leave forever.
How am I involved in this at all? I dont understand...
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Old 04-03-2013, 12:56 PM   #140
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How am I involved in this at all? I dont understand...
I just threw you in because I could personally give you money I owe. Pencildick isn't allowed to leave his mother's closet.
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Old 04-03-2013, 12:56 PM   #141
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Kiper says take Te'o first (as of Nov)..I'm sure he's not paid to pimp

Kiper denies favoritism for Clausen
Posted by NBC Sports on April 19, 2010, 9:46 AM EDT

Mel Kiper has Jimmy Clausen as the top quarterback in this draft, while Todd McShay’s Scouts Inc. has Clausen ranked 38th, 35 spots below Sam Bradford.

That disparity has raised questions about the relationship each draftnik has with the agents for the quarterbacks. McShay is believed to be represented by CAA, which also represents Bradford.

Kiper denies that he shows any favoritism to Clausen’s agent Gary Wichard, a long-time friend.

“I have so many friends who are agents: Tom Condon, Joel Segal, Tony
Agnone, Gary Wichard,” Kiper told Rick Maese of the Washington Post. “Ask them how many battles we’ve had on the phone
over players that they’ve represented. I don’t shill for
anybody.” BULLSHIT

Some have said Wichard represents Kiper, but that has been denied. Kiper points to the criticism he’s made of Wichard clients, including Taylor Mays and Dwight Freeney.

Maese’s excellent profile is worth a complete read. McShay calls Kiper an “institution.” Love or hate Kiper, McShay is right here.

Even though Kiper’s preeminence has been challenged in recent years, Kiper’s spot at the big boy table during the draft remains secure. He’s the one who will sit on ESPN’s main site throughout the draft, while McShay does a lot of his work from Bristol.

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Old 04-03-2013, 01:03 PM   #142
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i wanted Clausen in the 2nd round ... i really thought he had the talent to succeed.

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Old 04-03-2013, 01:13 PM   #143
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If Chiefs draft Geno I will give you $500 and leave the forum forever. If they don't draft Geno you and PencilDick have to leave forever.
I'll answer for them. No deal!

They are too good of posters to risk losing.

You're a Jags fan, so I don't care if you stay or go. Up to you.
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:14 PM   #144
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i wanted Clausen in the 2nd round ... i really thought he had the talent to succeed.

That's how all these guys are going to feel about Geno Smith. Watch.
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:18 PM   #145
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"JaMarcus Russell is going to immediately energize that fanbase, that football team -- on the practice field, in that locker room," ESPN's Mel Kiper said at the time. "Three years from now you could be looking at a guy that's certainly one of the elite top five quarterbacks in this league. ...You're talking about a 2-3 year period once he's under center. Look out because the skill level that he has is certainly John Elway-like."

I actually felt bad for Kiper until I read ESPN's Todd McShay's comments:

"I can't remember being in such awe of a quarterback in my decade of attending combines and pro days. Russell's passing session was the most impressive of all the pro days I've been to. His footwork for such a big quarterback was surprising. He was nimble in his dropbacks, rolling out and throwing on the run. The ball just explodes out of his hands."
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:26 PM   #146
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Can we now quit posting Geno threads?
You're a Raiders fan. You go to a Chiefs board and make demands about the kind of Chiefs content you see?

Go away.
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:30 PM   #147
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There are many iconic hairstyles in the National Football League. Brett Keisel’s lumberjack beard. Troy Polamalu’s bodacious curls. Clay Matthews’ scintillating golden locks. But among the most distinct looks is that of Kiper, whose hair, glasses, and those squinted eyes are one of the signature images of the NFL draft. Every year, he and his fellow heavyweight, the former University of Richmond waterboy McShay, slug it out on millions of television screens in the months leading up to the draft a dramatic attempt to display their expertise. But which of these two titans is a better judge of talent? This post sought to answer that question.

To compare the success rates of the two gurus, we collected the rankings of the Top 25 players in each year’s draft from 2006 (when McShay joined ESPN) through 2010. Kiper’s rankings were determined by his final “Big Board” before each year’s draft, while McShay’s were determined via Scouts Inc.’s final Top 25 (McShay runs Scouts Inc.). We then compared each player’s ranking to their actual performance ranking in their draft class (performance here is approximated by Career Approximate Value). As an example, Kiper ranked Julius Peppers as the best player in the 2002 NFL Draft, and that prediction proved to be dead on, as 10 years later Peppers has the highest CAV of any player from the ’02 draft. While we would have preferred to use the ranks of all players drafted, Kiper only releases his top 25 prospects on his “Big Board,” which severely limited sample size. Nonetheless, here’s what we found:



As the chart above shows, Kiper and McShay have proven to be equally inefficient judges of talent over the past five years. Neither expert’s rankings were a particularly good predictor of how a player would perform compared to the rest of his class. In fact, the average errors listed above suggest that the gurus’ rankings are off by around 35 spots when compared to the player’s actual performance. In other words, a player Kiper or McShay ranked as the 15th-best player in the draft is most likely to actually have been the 40th-best based on CAV to this point in their careers. The root mean square errors (RMSE) imply that Kiper is very slightly less prone to extreme errors than his ESPN counterpart, but that difference is not significant. RMSE severely punishes large errors, so having a comparatively lower RMSE implies that one makes fewer huge errors. However, like the average errors, the RMSE for each scout is enormous.

Indeed, when looking at the lists themselves, it is clear that both Kiper and McShay have, like all draft experts, been prone to extreme hits and misses when compared to the other. In 2006, both had future busts Matt Leinart, A.J. Hawk, Vince Young, and Michael Huff ranked in their Top 10s. But McShay was wise enough to include future All-Pro center Nick Mangold in his Top 25, while Kiper instead opted for Jason Allen. The following year, McShay found more success by ranking Darrelle Revis tenth overall, but the Island himself was nowhere to be found on Kiper’s Big Board. Also that year, both Kiper and McShay smartly pegged Calvin Johnson, Adrian Peterson, and Joe Thomas as three of the four top players in the draft, but both also had JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn in their top sevens.

In 2008, Kiper wisely ranked future bust Derrick Harvey 23rd—McShay had him 11th—but Kiper had fellow pass-rushing disaster Vernon Gholston 7th, compared to 15th for McShay. In 2009, both had the bust triumvirate of Aaron Curry, Michael Crabtree, and Jason Smith in their top four, but Kiper pegged Matthew Stafford at No. 3 while McShay had him at No. 7. McShay, however, wisely had both Clay Matthews and Hakeem Nicks in his Top 25, while Kiper had neither (but did, unlike McShay, include Percy Harvin). Finally, in 2010, Kiper, unlike McShay, smartly deemed Ndamukong Suh a better prospect than Gerald McCoy, but that success was immediately negated by his ranking of Jimmy Clausen at No. 4 overall (McShay, to his credit, did not feel Clausen was a top 25 talent).

Clearly, then, both “experts” have been both on-point and wildly off-base with their draft predictions over the past few years. On the whole, neither’s rankings are very accurate. If a player is listed in the Top 25 by either scout, that players will, on average, be in the top forty or sixty players from their draft class, but he is absolutely not guaranteed to be one of the very best players from his year. Furthermore, none of the differences between the average errors of Kiper and McShay are statistically significant: the differences between them are likely more due to luck than actual skill. In other words, you could take Kiper’s “Big Board” or McShay’s Top 25 and ask any random person to put them in any random order, and on average, that person’s rankings will be about as accurate as predicting future NFL success than any of ESPN’s two experts.

Of course, this study was limited by its sample size, as we’d have a fair better chance of really determining who was more accurate if Kiper and McShay both ranked every player in the draft (which only Scouts Inc. does; Kiper merely publishes his Top 25). But the nearly-equal numbers in the table above suggest there is not much of a difference between either’s ability to form an accurate Top 25. Of course, predicting NFL success—as it is in any sport—is extremely difficult, and it’s certainly possible that Kiper and McShay are statistically more accurate than any of the dozens of other websites that publish draft rankings each year. Since player rankings tend to be generally similar, it’s likely all such sites would be prone to a number of mistakes. But to determine whether such errors were as significant as those made by Kiper and McShay, future research should compare ESPN’s two gurus success rate to that of their lesser-known counterparts around the web. Until then, the best we can say is that neither Kiper or McShay is extraordinarily good at what they are paid to do, or even better than the other at doing it.
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