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Kansas City Chiefs GM John Dorsey explains plan for No. 1 pick

By Albert Breer
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Published: April 4, 2013 at 02:28 p.m.
Updated: April 4, 2013 at 02:42 p.m.
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KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Relaxed and easygoing as he might be on this day, Kansas City Chiefs general manager John Dorsey had to know the question was coming, particularly since West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith's flight into town was already airborne.
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In his first year on the job, Dorsey has the draft's first pick. His move will set the table for everyone else, and his job is to get the most value out of that commodity. The best way to do that, of course, is to generate a market for the pick by manufacturing the impression that the Chiefs, in fact, like everyone.

And as I floated that well-worn idea to Dorsey, his back straightened and he stopped me.

"It's not creating a belief, it's the truth," Dorsey sharply responded. "We've said all along it's a process, and that process will not be finalized, that board will not be set, until four days before the draft. That's the way that whole process works itself out. There are different phases that you go through. I mean, right now, I just walked downstairs and we're in a different phase right now. We're going back as a group and assessing all the different positions."

Still, there's very little question that the focus in Kansas City is squarely on the first pick -- the Chiefs' aren't scheduled to pick again until No. 63 overall -- and that focus is now narrowing.

It wouldn't make much sense for Dorsey and the Chiefs to tip their hand now on exactly who they're targeting, since, again, that might limit the value of the pick itself. But internally, there has been a process of elimination and an identification of "finalists" with the draft three weeks away.

"True contenders?" Dorsey quizzically uttered, before pausing and counting them in his head. "We've gotten it down to four."

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There's a shell game to this final phase of it, too.

Yes, the Chiefs brought in Smith, but they already gave up two high picks, including the 34th overall selection in this draft, to acquire Alex Smith from the San Francisco 49ers. That trade, plus the split opinion league-wide on Smith's ability, cast plenty of doubt on the possibility of Kansas City taking the plunge on the West Virginia star -- doubt that Dorsey does his best to dispel.

"There always can be a quarterback," he said. "We're gonna take the best player. I stand by that. And what I use as an example is that we were lucky enough to get Aaron Rodgers (in Green Bay). We were questioned about that, but we stood patiently for three years with him. We can stand patiently another three if we have to. At the end of the day, you want to do what's best for your organization, present and future. And if it happens to be the quarterback, we'll take the quarterback."

On the topic of Smith, Dorsey added: "Physically, he was very impressive at the combine, and we watched his pro day three times. When he threw, it was very impressive."

But if it's not the quarterback? That's where it gets interesting, because the guys who seem like better Chiefs fits aren't exactly being courted in the same manner Geno has been in K.C.

With left tackle Branden Albert's future uncertain, Texas A&M's Luke Joeckel and Central Michigan's Eric Fisher both would seem to be firmly in the mix. Neither is slated to visit. The Chiefs also spent considerable time kicking the tires on Oregon's Dion Jordan and Florida's Sharrif Floyd after the NFL Scouting Combine. Yet, those two aren't scheduled either, at least at this point, to go to Kansas City and meet the brass.

This could all be part of the club gaming the system, and other teams.

Internally, obviously, there are answers to all these questions. Every day, Dorsey sits down with Chiefs head coach Andy Reid at 6:30 in the morning, again at lunch and a final time at night to talk things over. In the final 10 days, the GM says, Reid will become more involved in draft meetings, as the scouts trickle in with their field work complete. The hope is, by then, Dorsey has been sold on one of the four.

"In a second, that could happen," Dorsey explained. "Sitting down and overwhelming somebody with their depth of knowledge of the offensive scheme and how quick they can put it up, and combine that with the on-the-field skills, and you go, 'Holy s---, he's got it.' It could be an interview at the combine, it could be his pro day at the school. There are different variables, and all of a sudden the light goes on and you're going, 'That's the guy!' It happens in a multitude of ways."

Whether that moment of clarity comes or not, Dorsey continued, there needs to "come a point after you sit here and listen to all the scouts, you sit and listen to the coaches, you sit and talk with the medical staff, and then you sit and talk with the head coach, and then you say, 'This is the guy, and here's why.' And everyone says, 'OK.' Then you know that's the guy."

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And if your head isn't spinning quite enough yet, there's also a chance that the Chiefs a) aren't sold on any of the guys there or b) simply believe there's better value drafting eighth or 10th or 12th. In either case, they might test the trade waters.

For now, Dorsey is willing to admit he's open to entertaining the idea.

"Yeah," Dorsey said. "I'm open to what's best for this organization. I know I have the option to take the best player there. But if somebody calls me up and says, 'We're willing to move up, here's what we have to offer,' I see it, weigh it, listen to compensation and make a decision on what's best."

The new GM spent the last 22 seasons working his way up through the Packers' personnel department. The average draft slot for Green Bay during that span? No. 20. Not only has Dorsey not worked for a team picking first before, but he's only been a part of the process with four top-10 picks in his entire scouting career: CB Terrell Buckley (No. 5 overall in 1992), Jamal Reynolds (10, 2001), A.J. Hawk (5, 2006) and B.J. Raji (9, 2009).

That makes these waters a bit uncharted for him. He knows there are different dynamics with it. He mentioned Rodgers again as a model of a player who handled the kind of pressure the first pick will be under (though he wasn't the first pick, he was replacing a legend), and said, "I think any one of the four guys that we're targeting right now can handle that."

He's also aware that, as a first-time GM, his actions on this pick will loom large when his prowess as a decision-maker is assessed.

At least outwardly, though, he's trying to look at the top pick like any other selection.

"A personnel guy always wants to get his pick right," Dorsey said. "We live that every year. We want to make sure the pick is right. This one happens to be the first pick in the draft. We're gonna try to make it right. You guys can put the pressure on us -- 'Holy crap, it's the No. 1 pick!' It's the No. 1 pick. We're gonna do the best we can."

And as the process typically proves, getting the most out of a top pick often goes far beyond simply identifying a top player



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Old 04-04-2013, 06:15 PM   #106
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Oakland traded for a backup with two games under his belt because they clearly have little faith in Pryor and I will be pissed if they draft Smith. Look at the teams who needed a QB and made moves to get nothing special QBs including KC. Why so many here are in love with this guy is beyond me. Who knows he may turn out but there is nothing about him that screams top 10 pick~
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Old 04-04-2013, 06:16 PM   #107
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Lets say our #1 pick turns into an all time great 5 years from now. Rather have Aaron Rodgers, Roaf or DT? Which player would win us more games?
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Old 04-04-2013, 06:24 PM   #112
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In Dorseys mind BPA can be a whole lot different than what Analysts and draft scouts think.

His BPA was Aaron Rodgers and it turned out to be a gem
Completely different situation. Many thought Rodgers might go #1 overall and when he didn't he went into free fall in the draft. He was BPA for Packers at #24 when he was still there. If Geno fell to them in the 3rd round they would take him because he would be BPA if he fell that far, but I highly doubt they have him as BPA at #1 when not one single analyst has him as the best player in the draft. Sure analysts can be wrong but there is no one at all that has Geno Smith as the best player in the draft, most have him in the late first round range based on talent alone and not team needs.
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With how candid Dorsey comes across in the article, throwing around words like shit and crap, the comment about offensive scheme really stuck out for me too.

Either that's some DAMN good poker or he's genuinely not opposed to taking the QB, letting him sit, and doing what he thinks is "best for your organization, present and future."
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Please point to specific instances where I use unrelated measures to mislead and prove my point through deception.
You were a hypocrite by telling him he's a cherry picker, when everyone on this board cherry picks in order to prove their opinion. You keep talking about McShay's opinion, or Mayock's opinion, or whatever draft expert's opinion of Geno Smith in order to tell people that Geno isn't the guy because nobody has him ranked until the middle or late first round. Would this be "CHERRY PICKING" information from draft "experts" in order to prove your opinion that Geno won't be the guy?... seems eerily similar.

Also if you think his opinion is incorrect or stupid, then you used his logic in order to say that because Joeckel is the #1 pick by Kiper that he must be BPA. You just watched the guy you thought was an idiot jump off a bridge, mocked him for it, then jumped off in the same exact way he did.
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"we were lucky enough to get Aaron Rodgers (in Green Bay). We were questioned about that, but we stood patiently for three years with him. We can stand patiently another three if we have to."

That's an interesting way to phrase that comment.

It could absolutely mean they have 1a) trade down for maximum compensation 1b) draft Geno if they can't trade out of the top spot.
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Sucks that you guys get the great Joeckel and we will get stuck with Geno
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You were a hypocrite by telling him he's a cherry picker, when everyone on this board cherry picks in order to prove their opinion. You keep talking about McShay's opinion, or Mayock's opinion, or whatever draft expert's opinion of Geno Smith in order to tell people that Geno isn't the guy because nobody has him ranked until the middle or late first round. Would this be "CHERRY PICKING" information from draft "experts" in order to prove your opinion that Geno won't be the guy?... seems eerily similar.

Also if you think his opinion is incorrect or stupid, then you used his logic in order to say that because Joeckel is the #1 pick by Kiper that he must be BPA. You just watched the guy you thought was an idiot jump off a bridge, mocked him for it, then jumped off in the same exact way he did.
He's not a hypocrite, but "cherry picking" might not have been the best way of describing what penbook was doing. What he was actually doing is misrepresenting Kiper's position.
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"we were lucky enough to get Aaron Rodgers (in Green Bay). We were questioned about that, but we stood patiently for three years with him. We can stand patiently another three if we have to."

That's an interesting way to phrase that comment.

It could absolutely mean they have 1a) trade down for maximum compensation 1b) draft Geno if they can't trade out of the top spot.
Or it could mean that if they see enough promise in a guy they take in the later rounds, he could ride the bench for a few years before realizing his full potential.

I really think the most likely meaning of anything that any GM says during this pre-draft period is probably nothing. I think most of their public statements are meaningless. The big thing that might distinguish one GM from another is how willing they are to tell an outright lie as opposed to just misleading without technically lying. We have very little to gauge John Dorsey with in that regard.
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"we were lucky enough to get Aaron Rodgers (in Green Bay). We were questioned about that, but we stood patiently for three years with him. We can stand patiently another three if we have to."

That's an interesting way to phrase that comment.

It could absolutely mean they have 1a) trade down for maximum compensation 1b) draft Geno if they can't trade out of the top spot.
Seems like a poker face to me. Like a team or two didn't agree with how much we wanted in return for that pick, so he's basically slapping them in the face saying "We can play this game all day if we want." Hell, maybe back in the day the Green Bay Packers faced an offer to trade into their spot so a later team could take Rodgers, but it wasn't enough in their minds and they lucked out.
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