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Old 04-05-2013, 12:51 PM  
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Health Conspiracy

I figured that I would post this here since there's a lot of conspiracy fans knocking about.

So a year ago I go in for a routine physical and the first thing that they find is high blood pressure. BP has never been an issue for me as I'm usually 120/80. This test had me at 145/95.

I had gained a couple of pounds so I figured it wasn't impossible. So I set off on a bunch of lifestyle changes. I lost 50 lbs (I'm what I weighed when I was 19), got down to 15% body fat and I'm in the best shape of my life. Even better then my time in the military.

During the last year or so I've had a home BP monitor that I check every couple of days and my BP has remained high even with all of the other improvements.

Earlier this week I went in for another physical and it was an old nurse who did an old fashion BP check and she put me at 110/60. I told her what I was usually seeing at home and she strapped on their automated BP checker and it said 140/80. She manually checked my left arm and it was 110/60. She took me to a different machine and it said 145/90. She mentioned it to the doctor and he said the machines are more accurate and said she shouldn't be checking manually. Later in the meeting he recommended BP medication.

My MIL is a nurse so I had her manually check me yesterday and I was 110/65.

Step 1 - fire that doctor.
Step 3 - Profit.

The other issues that probably doesn't mean anything is cholesterol. A year ago I was 230 in total cholesterol and after getting it tested on my own a couple of weeks ago I was at 170. This would make sense with all of the weight loss except that I lost that weight be eliminating "heart healthy grains" and eating a high fat diet.

Is it possible that doctors are rigging the system to push more drugs?
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:44 PM   #16
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I take health conspiracy way further...I'm of the belief that we have cures for the major diseases out there (cancer, HIV, Alzeheimer's, etc) but they're kept from the public because of $$$.

Anyone else believe that or come close? Yes I'm a nut lol...
Who is "we"? The govt/taxpayers would actually probably save a shitload of $ if there were cures for those things rather than paying for years and years of treatment for Medicare and Medicaid recipients.
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:58 PM   #17
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I know we like to set doctors aside as the Brahmin in our society, but the truth is that plenty of them are idiots and dumbasses. Not every medical school has pristine standards. Far too often people conflate incompetence and idiocy with conspiracy.
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Old 04-06-2013, 11:22 PM   #18
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I know we like to set doctors aside as the Brahmin in our society, but the truth is that plenty of them are idiots and dumbasses. Not every medical school has pristine standards. Far too often people conflate incompetence and idiocy with conspiracy.
I thought this place fostered intelligent thought. Guess not.
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Old 04-06-2013, 11:23 PM   #19
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I thought this place fostered intelligent thought. Guess not.
What do you find inaccurate about that post?

Doctors are not incredibly intelligent simply by virtue of being doctors.
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Old 04-06-2013, 11:28 PM   #20
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What do you find inaccurate about that post?

Doctors are not incredibly intelligent simply by virtue of being doctors.
Seriously? Bold move to bash one of the most vigorous curriculi in this country. You have some facts, or just a hunch?
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Old 04-06-2013, 11:30 PM   #21
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I thought this place fostered intelligent thought. Guess not.
I'd say you're proof positive of his position.
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Old 04-06-2013, 11:30 PM   #22
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Well I wouldn't call it a conspiracy but I might call it 'punting'. A doc putting you on BP drugs based upon two in office readings is a bit lazy unless you have some other solid risk factors/family history for high BP. I'm not an MD here so don't construe this a medical advice. I do have one in the family though.

Blood pressure naturally varies quite a bit throughout the day, it's actually tends to be higher in the morning that's why there's a condition called morning hypertension. You can actually have relatively normal blood pressure through the day but have significantly higher BP in the morning which can be an issue.

The biggest issue with any BP reading is that it can vary WIDELY....so if you're stressed your BP can be higher than it normally is. There actually is a conditional called white coat syndrome where people's BP is higher when they're in a doctors office(partially because they are concerned about getting a 'bad' result). Because of this variance part of what doctors will tend to do is to have you keep a log and measure your BP throughout the day for a period of time(ideally in the morning soon after you get up).

If your log indicates a consistent high BP then yes, drugs may be warranted, then again dietary changes and losing weight can be better. For a doc to just issue drugs based upon a couple in office tests seems odd to me...unless you have a history of high BP.
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Old 04-06-2013, 11:31 PM   #23
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I'd say you're proof positive of his position.
By what measure?
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I hate people.

I really do.
And this is exactly the attitude I look for in a doctor.
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Old 04-06-2013, 11:34 PM   #25
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Seriously? Bold move to bash one of the most vigorous curriculi in this country. You have some facts, or just a hunch?
You mean rigorous curricula?
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Well I wouldn't call it a conspiracy but I might call it 'punting'. A doc putting you on BP drugs based upon two in office readings is a bit lazy unless you have some other solid risk factors/family history for high BP. I'm not an MD here so don't construe this a medical advice. I do have one in the family though.

Blood pressure naturally varies quite a bit throughout the day, it's actually tends to be higher in the morning that's why there's a condition called morning hypertension. You can actually have relatively normal blood pressure through the day but have significantly higher BP in the morning which can be an issue.

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If your log indicates a consistent high BP then yes, drugs may be warranted, then again dietary changes and losing weight can be better. For a doc to just issue drugs based upon a couple in office tests seems odd to me...unless you have a history of high BP.
Agree, except highest Bp is middle of the night. Otherwise, yes, we need two or more to diagnose hypertension. But beyond a certain limit, we have to act.
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You mean rigorous curricula?
Vigorous and rigorous. I'm not exactly sober here
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Seriously? Bold move to bash one of the most vigorous curriculi in this country. You have some facts, or just a hunch?
This post speaks for itself.

Irony aside, there are several other disciplines that are significantly more difficult and rigorous than becoming a physician.
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This post speaks for itself.

Irony aside, there are several other disciplines that are significantly more difficult and rigorous than becoming a physician.
Like the one you're currently in?
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Like the one you're currently in?
The one I will be entering in soon? Absolutely.

I'll have to read 120 books in a few narrow fields just to adequately prepare for comprehensive examinations.
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