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Old 04-06-2013, 09:19 AM  
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* Kansas City Royals @ Philadelphia Phillies Game Thread (4/6) *





Final 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
KC (2-3) 0 0 0 0 2 0 1 0 0 3 6 0
PHI (2-3) 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 3 4 3 2




Luis Mendoza 6IP 1R 1ER 3BB 7K
Hold, (2) Aaron Crow 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K
Hold, (2) Kelvin Herrera 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 2K
Blown Save, (1); Loss, (0-1) Greg Holland ⅔IP 3R 3ER 3BB 2K

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John Lannan 7IP 3R 3ER 0BB 5K
Mike Adams 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K
Win, (1-0) Antonio Bastardo 1IP 0R 0ER 1BB 0K

Home Runs

none

AL Central

Final: SEA 3, CWS 4
Final: NYY 4, DET 8
Final: MIN 6, BAL 5
Final: CLE 0, TB 6

Starting Lineups

KC

1. Alex Gordon, LF
2. Alcides Escobar, SS
3. Billy Butler, 1B
3. Jarrod Dyson, pr
3. Kelvin Herrera, P
3. Greg Holland, P
4. Salvador Perez, C
5. Lorenzo Cain, CF
6. Jeff Francoeur, RF
7. Miguel Tejada, 3B
7. Aaron Crow, P
7. Eric Hosmer, 1B
8. Elliot Johnson, 2B/3B
9. Luis Mendoza, P
9. Chris Getz, ph/2B

PHI

1. Ben Revere, CF
2. Jimmy Rollins, SS
3. Chase Utley, 2B
4. Ryan Howard, 1B
4. Ezequiel Carrera, pr
5. Michael Young, 3B
6. Domonic Brown, LF
7. John Mayberry, RF
8. Humberto Quintero, C
8. Kevin Frandsen, ph
9. John Lannan, P
9. Mike Adams, P
9. Laynce Nix, ph
9. Antonio Bastardo, P

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Old 04-06-2013, 08:44 PM   #631
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Holland doesn't suck as a closer. He did fine last year. Jesus H Christ. Overreaction planet.
1) Holland is your closer. Your best reliever. He believes it. The Royals believe it.
2) If you want to go back to the 80's and have a fireman, that's a different argument all together - and one which the MLB worked through in the 90s.
3) You had no one warming up.
4) Who were you going to bring in?
Good on 3 of the 4 points.. Holland lost the Royals the game tonight. After the 2nd walk if Yostie was serious about winning tonight someone would have been up. However, Yostie wasn't serious about winning tonight and it showed in the end.
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:45 PM   #632
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:45 PM   #633
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Good on 3 of the 4 points.. Holland lost the Royals the game tonight. After the 2nd walk if Yostie was serious about winning tonight someone would have been up. However, Yostie wasn't serious about winning tonight and it showed in the end.
I actually agree with leaving Holland in. You have to show confidence in your closer, no matter who it is.
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:46 PM   #634
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Upper 90s fastball that can be spotted, power changeup in the upper 80s and slow changeup in the low 80s, as well as a tight slider. Hey, maybe Holland will get it together and this is just an anomaly, I just think Herrera's better.
Holland has a 95 mph fastball with a power slider, +4 seamer and slow curve. Holland has the tools for a closer with the devastating slider and + fastball.
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:46 PM   #635
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I actually agree with leaving Holland in. You have to show confidence in your closer, no matter who it is.
As long as Yostie and Moore are comfortable with the outcome.
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:47 PM   #636
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Holland has a 95 mph fastball with a power slider, +4 seamer and slow curve. Holland has the tools for a closer with the devastating slider and + fastball.
Add shaky "confidence" to that and yep.. you have described Holland tonight.
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:49 PM   #637
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Add shaky "confidence" to that and yep.. you have described Holland tonight.
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:50 PM   #638
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Add shaky "confidence" to that and yep.. you have described Holland tonight.
So you know his confidence was shaken, or was it that his control just wasn't there tonight?
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So you know his confidence was shaken, or was it that his control just wasn't there tonight?
Looked like after ball 4 to Utley he became a thrower and not a pitcher. My best bet was his confidence in his control was shot.
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:51 PM   #640
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So when Herrera has a bad game and can't locate the ball, is everyone going to be calling for his head too?
Sure... I want Royals to know that they have to find their stuff every night, and quickly, or they ride... And don't think we don't get what you're saying, we do, we've just been around the Royals (and Chiefs) long enough to know that these guys need to play scared too. The whole "play loose" thing hasn't worked for many decades within these club houses, so maybe the "fear of God" might be worth a try for a while. And as much as the players don't need to feel loyal to the fans and city, nor do the fans and city towards the players. They're all hired whores (lord knows they'll more often than not go to the highest bidder!!), so they need to put out or get out!

And, the locker room needs to have their way with his ass tonight too. A hard-played game that amounted to ****ing nothing because of him. It's OK to let him know that, and remind him of it too. He ****ed a 2+ hour game in just a few minutes. **** him!
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:51 PM   #641
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Yes but he proceeded to K the next 2 guys out. Then you bring in someone else? Give me a break man. If he gave up a hit, yes.
Read my post again with both eyes open and your brain somehow actively and accurately processing input. I said Holland only needed to get the FINAL 2 outs. I also said Yost should have had the hot hand (Herrera) start the 9th inning, and then, IF HERRERA GOT IN TROUBLE EARLY IN THAT INNING, to bring in Holland.

BTW, Holland did give up a hit and Yost, I'm sure, was ready to then bring in someone else. Unfortunately, by that time, everyone had left the ball field.
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Looked like after ball 4 to Utley he became a thrower and not a pitcher. My best bet was his confidence in his control was shot.
That's why he came right back and struck out the next 2 hitters? Ok
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I say we wait more than two outings and one blow save to throw Holland to the dogs. Jesus this board is crazy sometimes. Dude has great stuff when he can locate....and yes, not one single pitcher can locate every night, this is just baseball. And Yost was right in leaving him in. You don't put in a guy who isn't warmed up with the bases juiced.
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That's why he came right back and struck out the next 2 hitters? Ok
All throws... not pitches.
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I say we wait more than two outings and one blow save to throw Holland to the dogs. Jesus this board is crazy sometimes. Dude has great stuff when he can locate....and yes, not one single pitcher can locate every night, this is just baseball. And Yost was right in leaving him in. You don't put in a guy who isn't warmed up with the bases juiced.
As long as Yost is ok with losing games like this then sure. I am not even really mad about this game, this is just what the Royals do.
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