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Old 04-10-2013, 11:27 AM   #106
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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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Old 04-10-2013, 11:29 AM   #107
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Huh, wut?
that's what I thought.

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Old 04-10-2013, 11:46 AM   #108
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that's what I thought.

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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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Old 04-10-2013, 03:35 PM   #109
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Its rather humorous to me how no christians interpretation of how hell or the scriptures work is the same, and yet no one sees this conundrum.
i'm not exactly sure how you can make that statement since there have been arguments, debates, wars, killings and fighting about that very subject......and it has led to the creation of hundreds or thousands of different sects of Christians and a multitude of different translations/version of the bible .....

Kind of an odd statement really.....from someone so 'smart'
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Old 04-10-2013, 03:46 PM   #110
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You has a black friend. How nice for you.
Well, Dave, when you can't man up to the truth and your own statements, it appears all you've got left is ridicule.
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Old 04-10-2013, 03:49 PM   #111
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I am convinced that those who do not believe and accept Christ will go to hell..................Luke 13:28, "There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out." In hell people will learn the true meaning of regret.

Surely if Jesus will forgive people for even tho most heinous acts...you can. Jesus forgives all.

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there they crucified him and the evil-doers, one on the right hand and one on the left. And Jesus said, ‘Father, forgive them, for they have not known what they do;’
Jesus commanded to forgive the men who killed him (without cause even...killing Jesus...). Surely there is no greater act of malice than killing another human being, to me (And this is Jesus!). In my mind, the holy spirit tells me that if this can be forgiven.., by him who is hanging on the cross......then all can be forgiven.

I can continue, but I don't think this thread is the right spot for this topic.....suffice it to say that your opinion of those particular passages you quoted doesn't mesh with how I interpret them...just as perhaps my interpretation of Luke 21:33-34 doesn't mesh with yours....

My overall point is I think there are plenty of examples where a reasonable person could disagree with your opinion.....
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Old 04-10-2013, 03:51 PM   #112
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i'm not exactly sure how you can make that statement since there have been arguments, debates, wars, killings and fighting about that very subject......and it has led to the creation of hundreds or thousands of different sects of Christians and a multitude of different translations/version of the bible .....

Kind of an odd statement really.....from someone so 'smart'
Oh I completely understand the genesis (pun intended) of christianity. I understand the splinter groups especially after the reformation but when you think about it it really is from day 1.

But some of the groups vary SO wildly and on what I would consider the big issues. Don't you at least find it slightly odd or troubling?
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Old 04-10-2013, 04:11 PM   #113
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But some of the groups vary SO wildly and on what I would consider the big issues. Don't you at least find it slightly odd or troubling?
I don't think its that odd considering the original texts and translations had to be hand written, and back then very few could even read so they had to rely on men to both translate and even read the scriptures......Even the King James Bible has errors in translation! It really is only very recently in history that the literacy, ease of information, and excellent translations of the original source material has been massively spreading (mainly due to the internet I guess...and the very hard work of certain translators).

So again, no I truly don't find that odd much as I don't find odd different philosophical or scientific texts being wrong, mistranslated, misquoted, etc....still to this day!

But I do agree with you it is troubling......Like if the bible truly was a holy book, written by the hand of god....why not present things in a more clear fashion...in fact why not come down and just settle it by giving a speech in every language? etc.... (free will doctrine..etc)

I dont have the answers for everything...and my approach is probably in the minority , but I am far from alone...which is why i ask you to not lump me in with others...both for their sake and mine...LOL

#1 I dont stick to the idea that the bible is totally infallible, and the complete exact words of god....clearly it is without question that there were/are errors..even basic ones in the most common versions (KJV etc).
#2 I am a huge believer in the free will doctrine.....and not in predestination, so IOW if it was absolutely clear , the world would be pretty boring and you wouldn't need to make hard choices in life......what fun would that be?

So I guess the next question is 'why would you believe/study an imperfect book'? Fair question.....

In my heart I know and feel there is a God. I know and acknowledge the bible as we have it is not perfect. Just like Einstein's theories and many other scientific theories and even laws (gravity) have proven to not be perfect........its (the new testament) the best I have right now that meshes with what I feel and have experienced..........

I don't really bog down with the details, I'm more of a big picture guy....I am also, like you, an astronomer and astrophotographer...And when I look at the sky and the stars I think "there is no way this is all some accident..." and I feel God. I think God was powerful enough to create a system that adapts and evolves.....so again, I acknowledge evolution and incorporate it into my beliefs rather than fight the truth.

To me , denying God would be similar to a fundamentalist denying Evolution...IOW to completely remove God / spirituality from my life is just as insane of a thought as to completely rule out science.

Sorry for the ramble, but its a good question you asked, and fair.
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Old 04-10-2013, 09:45 PM   #114
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hey Dave, remember when u called me a liar concerning my father in law?

put your money where your mouth is...I can easliy prove it and when I do...

you leave chiefsplanet forever...deal?
How about 1 year for you or 1 year for me? That a deal?
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:25 PM   #116
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But if you examine the record, it's not the religious but the hard-nosed scientists who have actually delivered the things that improve human life. And, to me, science describes a world far more interesting than any religious fantasy. It's a good world - not perfect - but it's ours. So we'd better learn to live with it, the way it is.
Again, I think you are being incredibly short sighted, dishonest, unfair and smug.

I'm not trying to insult you but for a "scientist" you surely are not applying rational thought to this subject. I would argue that you are just as irrational as any fundamentalist religious zealot who doesn't acknowledge scientific truths.

You seem to want to only give credit to science for the good things, but are quick to point out the killings and other bad things that have to do with religion.

However you fail to mention that science has most likely killed far more people, and in fact has jeopardized the entire world. Gunpowder has been responsible for how many deaths? Nuclear weapons? Pollution? Global warming? Even agricultural science has led to deforestation and potential overpopulation.

To only mention the good of science is hypocritical.....Hitler had a wonderful scientific idea of creating / empowering a genetically superior master race...which only cost how many lives?

Furthermore, by only looking at the bad side of religion (religious wars 500+ years old, nutjobs who kill people, terrorists, Westboro...etc) you are turning a blind eye to the millions and millions of people who are aided daily through religious organizations all over the world....feeding the hungry, building shelter, bringing medicine to the sick.......all because they believe in something greater than self.

For you to sit in judgment without acknowledging these basic things discredits you as a completely biased source in the same exact way that steve ray discredits himself when he says stupid shit.

For someone supposedly so smart, I really can't figure out how your mind closed so much that you cant see things so simple......Its uncannily similar to the religious fanatics who get so defensive of their position and cling to it so tightly, that the truth slips through their fingers.

Just as I cant understand why the religious fanatic is unable to acknowledge the beauty of science I don't get why the athiest fanatic (which to me is no better....its the same dishonesty) is unable to entertain that possibly...just possibly science and God could co-exist beautifully.
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no, dave...you agreed that I was lying about my FIL being a black man..correct?

I prove it...you're gone.

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no, dave...you agreed that I was lying about my FIL being a black man..correct?

I prove it...you're gone.
The bet is this according to you. I called you a liar, more specifically about your FIL being black. If you can prove that then I'm gone and we'll just call it DC for one year.

If you can't prove the above verbatim then you are gone from DC for a year.

Fair enough?
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