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Police make arrests at Thatcher death street parties in Bristol and Brixton

Officers injured during public disorder as hundreds turn out across cities in Britain to celebrate former prime minister's death


Police officers were injured and arrests were made as protesters held street parties in cities around Britain celebrating the death of Margaret Thatcher.

One officer was taken to hospital and five others were injured in clashes in Bristol after a street party turned violent. A man was arrested after revellers refused to leave the street party, and threw cans and bottles at police, according to Avon and Somerset police. A police vehicle was damaged and an officer remains in hospital. His injuries are not thought to be serious.

Police said the group "refused requests to peacefully disperse", leading to the use of shields and batons by officers. A spokeswoman said police received a number of calls from residents about the party.

She said party-goers were "throwing stuff around and starting fires" before police arrived.





In Brixton, south London, people gathered from around 5.30pm in Windrush Square and by nightfall had attracted about 200 protesters after a party was announced on Facebook. The Ritzy cinema was festooned in banners, with the now showing sign rearranged to spell out "Margaret Thatcher dead". One banner read: "Rejoice, Thatcher is dead." Others chanted: "Maggie, Maggie, Maggie, dead, dead, dead."

The Metropolitan police said there had been low-level disorder in Brixton. Two women were arrested on suspicion of burglary after a shop front was broken.

"Last night police dealt with approximately 100 people who caused low level disorder," said a Met spokesman. Extra officers were called to the scene to ensure "public safety and accessibility to public highways", he added.

On the Facebook page set up to organise the party, a woman had written: "Well I hope the idiots who told me they were off down Brixton High Street for the sake of the community (sic) are proud of the fact they smashed the windows of Barnardo's the Children's charity, but left Foxtons, the banks and McDonald's in tact. I'm proud of the people that hung around to clear up."





In Leeds, a group gathered to hand out "Thatcher's dead cake", singing and cheering at one of several street parties. In YouTube footage a man is seen chanting 'If you all hate Thatcher clap your hands' into a megaphone. While in Liverpool, where many reviled Thatcher for her role in the closure of the city's docks and her perceived role and views on the Hillsborough disaster, there was a gathering lit by red flares on the steps of Lime street station. Police said they had not been called to any disturbances in the city related to the former prime minister's death.

Around 300 people gathered in Glasgow's George Square which experienced highly charged poll tax protests in 1989, after the introduction of one of Thatcher's most divisive measures. Revellers wore party hats, and popped a bottle of champagne while streamers were thrown into the sky. Groups such as the Communist party, the Socialist party, the Anti-Bedroom Tax Federation and the International Socialist Group were joined by members of the public. Martin Chomsky, the lead singer of Chomsky Allstars, performed his song So Long Margaret Thatcher in George Square. "There are mixed emotions. I was never brought up to celebrate anyone's death but the pain she brought to Latin America, Europe and around the world should be remembered," he said.

"I would rather that Thatcherism was dead because she is mostly to blame for what is going on today. She is responsible, but not solely, for the massive gap between the rich and the poor."




In Derry and Belfast, there were republican celebrations. In one incident in Derry a petrol bomb was thrown at a passing police patrol near Free Derry Corner during a street party. In the Falls Road area of west Belfast, car horns were sounded and champagne bottles cracked open as hundreds gathered to wave flags and chant.

In Trafalgar Square, central London, champagne bottles were passed around as people celebrated, while a Facebook group is calling for another celebration in Trafalgar Square on Saturday from 6pm. A separate campaign has been launched to make Ding Dong! The Witch is Dead reach No1 in the music charts.
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You're the one that conflated his left/right focus with Democrats and Republicans. That conflation is the single reason we have those debates.
I was responding to a partisan dipshit in the only language he apparently understands. Why donít you go cry on his shoulder over it.
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The Labour Party is bit more left than left center....and yes, they do celebrate the death of Margaret Thatcher:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ers-death.html
He meant center-left where "center" is defined by suzzer and cosmo.
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Please refrain from putting words in my mouth. I labeled them "left-center." I didn't say they were "center, but slightly leaning left" and that is not what 'left-center' implies. Left-center implies just that: not socialist, not libertarian, but on an imperfect imaginary scale of ideologies, left of the center.

Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, for examples, are not "leftists." They are not socialists. They are also not to the right of the center of our imaginary scale. You have an exaggerated and inaccurate view of what my term means, so I caution you to reflect on why that is. Perhaps it's because you abhor any recognition that people who have any inclination of modern liberalism can be considered to have an inclination of 'centrism.' Perhaps it confuses a convenient black/white model of the world you wish to portray. Whatever it is, it's silly and perhaps dishonest.

Again, your link showed a single Labour supporter as celebrating the death of Margret Thatcher. You used that to show that the Labour Party celebrates her death. I claim it is the exception. My link, a statement from the leader of the Labour Party: http://www.labour.org.uk/ed-miliband...garet-thatcher
Try reading the link. It was not a single supporter, it was one the LARGEST donators to the labor parties coffers.

Labor, much like the Democratic Party here in the states, has moved more to the left since the 90's. Politicians like Blair and Clinton are the exception, not the rule, in their respective parties.

An opinion cannot be dishonest. I find it interesting that you call anyone who disagrees with your opinion a liar (even though you don't have the balls to use the word liar, instead you use phrases like "intellectually dishonest"). Is your opinion the only truth in the world?

And, in the interest of full disclosure...at no time did I say Blair or Brown were socialists. At no time did I state that the Labor Party was socialist. I merely stated, that in my opinion, the Labor Party is firmly on left side of the spectrum, with occasional moves to the center. I did not categorize the Labor Party as "far left", "socialist", or "libertarian". To imply otherwise would be pure dishonesty on your part.

Seems to me you are putting many more words in my mouth than I am in yours, perhaps you should pause and reflect upon that.
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He meant center-left where "center" is defined by suzzer and cosmo.
Careful, or Jenson might call you "intellectually dishonest".
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I was responding to a partisan dipshit in the only language he apparently understands. Why donít you go cry on his shoulder over it.
You appear to be offended. That wasn't my intention.
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Try reading the link. It was not a single supporter, it was one the LARGEST donators to the labor parties coffers.
I did read the link, thank you. The link points out a single supporter of the Labour Party. You seem to agree. Can one of the largest donators not be a single supporter? Being that it is a mere single supporter, it is intellectually dishonest to claim that the Labour Party celebrates the death of Thatcher. I provided you with a more authoritative reason for why this is not so: the current leader of the Labour Party issues a statement that is featured on the Labour Party's website, that respectfully reflects on the passing of Thatcher.

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That's your opinion. I think it's wrong. Being that they were elected by their parties and still remain with their parties, and in Clinton's case, wildly admired by his party, it seems your opinion is quite a bit distorted.

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An opinion can be dishonest if it's built on dishonest premises. I don't think that anyone who disagrees with my opinion is a liar. Let's re-examine how our disagreement came about: you took issue with my characterization of the Labour Party being center-left, rather than socialist (as BEP claimed). Why you took issue is anyone's guess, because you seem to agree that the Labour Party is not socialist. You also seem to agree with me that the Labour Party is "on the left side of the spectrum" which is what center-left label necessitates. You took issue with my opinion for no other reason than apparently to show your distaste for the association of Labour's "centrism" element. You even claim that they have occasional moves to the center, which is not incompatible with a "center-left" designation.

Your issue seems to boil down to two points: (1) if you see someone call the Labour Party 'center-left' or 'left-center,' you are going to argue about its accuracy, even though you share the same conclusion about it after your own explanation. Why you think that's a constructive way to go about your day is a question for the angels, but perhaps it's because: (2) you have a problem with people on the 'center-left' and need to show aggression toward them. That would explain why you need to smear the Labour Party as a whole by pointing out an exception of a supporter who celebrated Thatcher's death. Attempting to prove the exception as the rule is intellectually dishonest, and in your case, it seems to be motivated by a personal hatred of modern liberalism. I hope you can overcome that.
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I did read the link, thank you. The link points out a single supporter of the Labour Party. You seem to agree. Can one of the largest donators not be a single supporter? Being that it is a mere single supporter, it is intellectually dishonest to claim that the Labour Party celebrates the death of Thatcher. I provided you with a more authoritative reason for why this is not so: the current leader of the Labour Party issues a statement that is featured on the Labour Party's website, that respectfully reflects on the passing of Thatcher.



That's your opinion. I think it's wrong. Being that they were elected by their parties and still remain with their parties, and in Clinton's case, wildly admired by his party, it seems your opinion is quite a bit distorted.



An opinion can be dishonest if it's built on dishonest premises. I don't think that anyone who disagrees with my opinion is a liar. Let's re-examine how our disagreement came about: you took issue with my characterization of the Labour Party being center-left, rather than socialist (as BEP claimed). Why you took issue is anyone's guess, because you seem to agree that the Labour Party is not socialist. You also seem to agree with me that the Labour Party is "on the left side of the spectrum" which is what center-left label necessitates. You took issue with my opinion for no other reason than apparently to show your distaste for the association of Labour's "centrism" element. You even claim that they have occasional moves to the center, which is not incompatible with a "center-left" designation.

Your issue seems to boil down to two points: (1) if you see someone call the Labour Party 'center-left' or 'left-center,' you are going to argue about its accuracy, even though you share the same conclusion about it after your own explanation. Why you think that's a constructive way to go about your day is a question for the angels, but perhaps it's because: (2) you have a problem with people on the 'center-left' and need to show aggression toward them. That would explain why you need to smear the Labour Party as a whole by pointing out an exception of a supporter who celebrated Thatcher's death. Attempting to prove the exception as the rule is intellectually dishonest, and in your case, it seems to be motivated by a personal hatred of modern liberalism. I hope you can overcome that.
Good Lord, you are full of it. Since when is calling the Labor Party Liberal a smear? Center-Left implies being in the center, but leaning left. My opinion is that Labor is primarily Left, and occasionally leans to the center. I think that is a significant distinction to make.

And it was not a single supporter...it was one of the largest unions in all of England....the second largest, in fact, with over 1.3 millions members. Kind of dishonest to portray them as a single supporter, no? Them celebrating Thatcher's death would akin to the Teamsters celebrating the death of Ronald Reagan the Teamsters has approx 1.4 million members).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...United_Kingdom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States

I am not a fan of modern liberalism, and modern conservatism has had its share of disappointments as well. But to portray the Labor Party as center first is not correct. Labor is liberal, not left-center, or whatever fancy phrase you want to use to attempt to portray them as anything other than being on the left.

Your original comment was that Labor would not celebrate Thatcher's death in the streets. I think my point stands...there are some in Labor that did celebrate, and celebrated in a very public manner.

My opinion was not built on any dishonest principles...it just happened to disagree with yours. Live with it. Feel free to call those who disagree with you "intellectually dishonest" or whatever phrase you like. I hope you can overcome your own close mindedness, and accept that people can have an opinion different from yours.
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