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Gun Policy & Law Enforcement: Survey Results

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PoliceOne’s Gun Policy & Law Enforcement survey was conducted between March 4 and March 13, 2013. More than 15,000 officers completed the survey, which was promoted by PoliceOne exclusively to its 400,000 registered members, comprised of verified law enforcement professionals. Only current, former or retired law enforcement personnel were eligible to participate in the survey. The survey sample size was broadly distributed
by geography and rank in proportion to the U.S. law enforcement community at large. Respondents comprised a variety of ranks from departments of all sizes, with the majority representing departments of greater than 500 officers. Of those that took the survey, 80 percent were current law enforcement officers and 20 percent were former/retired law enforcement.

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19. Do you support the concealed carry of firearms by civilians who have not been convicted of a felony and/or not been deemed psychologically/medically incapable?
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Yes, without question and without further restrictions
91.3% 12,968
No, only law enforcement officers should carry firearms
4.1% 586

Unsure/Neutral
4.5% 646

answered question 14,200
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22. Considering the particulars of recent tragedies like Newtown and Aurora, what level of impact do you think a legally-armed citizen could have made? Choose the statement that you feel is most accurate:

Innocent casualties would likely have been avoided altogether
6.2% 865

Casualties would likely have been reduced
80.0% 11,215


There would have been no difference in outcome
4.1% 568

An active gunfight might have resulted in greater loss of innocent lives
5.5% 767

Unsure or prefer not to answer
4.3% 607

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Old 04-10-2013, 10:34 PM   #31
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Askin guys who got into their line of work b/c they like guns, or have since become "gun guys" about gun laws? This is relevant...

Also like how we are only seeing 2 of at least 22 questions here...
I'd say that liking guns is a pretty poor reason to become a cop. Real life isn't a TV cop show - normal cops rarely fire their guns. Police trade-in pistols are usually great deals because they have had very few rounds run through them. They just show holster wear.

I think people mainly become cops for one of two reasons - they truly want to help others, or are shitheads who bully others behind the safety of a badge.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:40 PM   #32
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So is O'Bama's using of stats from the 90's more relevant?
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:43 PM   #33
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I'd say that liking guns is a pretty poor reason to become a cop. Real life isn't a TV cop show - normal cops rarely fire their guns. Police trade-in pistols are usually great deals because they have had very few rounds run through them. They just show holster wear.

I think people mainly become cops for one of two reasons - they truly want to help others, or are shitheads who bully others behind the safety of a badge.
I'd say it's a poor reason also, but you can't argue that someone who likes guns an inordinate amount wouldn't likely consider law enforcement or military duty.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:45 PM   #34
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Police trade-in pistols are usually great deals because they have had very few rounds run through them. They just show holster wear.
I've owned two. Both were damn good purchases.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:50 PM   #35
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I'd say it's a poor reason also, but you can't argue that someone who likes guns an inordinate amount wouldn't likely consider law enforcement or military duty.
True, but it's more likely that they'd go military - maybe go the cop route if they can't get into the military for whatever reason. A ground-pounder, be he a soldier or marine, is going to be shooting regularly. A cop will wear his piece on a daily basis, but unless he has to fire it in the line of duty, he'll only be qualifying once a year.

I shoot far more regularly than the average cop does.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:52 PM   #36
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I've owned two. Both were damn good purchases.
I've only owned one, which I recently traded, but I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one. Great way to get a $100 discount on a pistol that's barely been fired and was well maintained.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:53 PM   #37
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Personally, every LEO I know is pro-gun for civilians...and I know a lot of LEO's. Granted, this is in Montana/Wyoming area.
This is where I would like to see the breakdown in the poll to show because I believe there would be a huge disparity between Rural\small town cops and cops in big cities.

I could possibly see rural LEO's having very little problem with more guns because they probably hardly see or experience any gun violence or maybe any violence in general outside of domestic violence. On the flip side big city LEO's probably thinking there is no way in hell we need more guns in the hands of these crazy city people.

2 completely different worlds..

But all I know in my LEO experience any person that had a gun with them made us a nervous and we didn't like it, didn't matter if they were licensed or not. Can't trust anybody
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So is O'Bama's using of stats from the 90's more relevant?
I don't care. Haven't seen them, and I'm not commenting on them. I'm commenting on this.

I don't think we need to ban guns. Though I really just wish the reasons given by the average hardcore pro gun guy was relevant. They list every argument a child losing his video games would, and don't ever bring up the intended purpose of the 2nd amendment. Your "natural rights of self-defense, resistance to oppression, and the civic duty to act in concert in defense of the state.". Most of your average pro gun enthusiasts don't seem to know anything about the 2nd amendment outside of "right to keep and bear arms".

Truth is, asking for more in depth background checks and psychological evaluations is completely reasonable. I also think asking gun owners to pbe responsible isn't too much to ask. If you're so gung-Ho to buy your first gun and ready and willing to spend the money to get them, you should be required to provide proof of ownership of a gun safe. Less stolen guns, less mentally unstable people getting guns, less problems.

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This is where I would like to see the breakdown in the poll to show because I believe there would be a huge disparity between Rural\small town cops and cops in big cities.

I could possibly see rural LEO's having very little problem with more guns because they probably hardly see or experience any gun violence or maybe any violence in general outside of domestic violence. On the flip side big city LEO's probably thinking there is no way in hell we need more guns in the hands of these crazy city people.

2 completely different worlds..

But all I know in my LEO experience any person that had a gun with them made us a nervous and we didn't like it, didn't matter if they were licensed or not. Can't trust anybody
I know several suburban cops through the ranges/club I go to. Granted, they're not Chicago, but they don't feel that way. Of course, in Chicago, it's only recently become legal to own a handgun, and still isn't legal to carry, so anybody a Chicago cop is dealing with that's armed is going to be a ****ing criminal. Is that attitude built into them? Sure. But once conceal carry becomes legal (starting in June, thank God), they need to get the **** over it.

City dwellers need conceal carry far more than those of us who live in nice suburbs. They've been hung out to dry by the government for far too long.
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Askin guys who got into their line of work b/c they like guns, or have since become "gun guys" about gun laws? This is relevant...

Also like how we are only seeing 2 of at least 22 questions here...
Follow the link and you get the whole survey. I felt it was too large to post the whole thing.
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This is where I would like to see the breakdown in the poll to show because I believe there would be a huge disparity between Rural\small town cops and cops in big cities.

I could possibly see rural LEO's having very little problem with more guns because they probably hardly see or experience any gun violence or maybe any violence in general outside of domestic violence. On the flip side big city LEO's probably thinking there is no way in hell we need more guns in the hands of these crazy city people.

2 completely different worlds..

But all I know in my LEO experience any person that had a gun with them made us a nervous and we didn't like it, didn't matter if they were licensed or not. Can't trust anybody
I'm not sure of your definition of a big city, but my family was LEO's in cities over 100,000. But, I know the point you're trying to make.
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Old 04-10-2013, 11:06 PM   #42
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Follow the link and you get the whole survey. I felt it was too large to post the whole thing.
Thanks Mike.
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I'm not sure of your definition of a big city, but my family was LEO's in cities over 100,000. But, I know the point you're trying to make.
I'm in a "city" of about 130,000. Gun violence really isn't an issue. Sure the "hood", gets unruly from time to time, but it's really not something we hear about on the news with any regularity.

Go just a bit bigger, and KC/St. Louis have pretty big problems. Just imagine New York, L.A.. I wouldn't trust a cop with a gun in a big city.
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I don't care. Haven't seen them, and I'm not commenting on them. I'm commenting on this.

I don't think we need to ban guns. Though I really just wish the reasons given by the average hardcore pro gun guy was relevant. They list every argument a child losing his video games would, and don't ever bring up the intended purpose of the 2nd amendment. Your "natural rights of self-defense, resistance to oppression, and the civic duty to act in concert in defense of the state.". Most of your average pro gun enthusiasts don't seem to know anything about the 2nd amendment outside of "right to keep and bear arms".

Truth is, asking for more in depth background checks and psychological evaluations is completely reasonable. I also think asking gun owners to pbe responsible isn't too much to ask. If you're so gung-Ho to buy your first gun and ready and willing to spend the money to get them, you should be required to provide proof of ownership of a gun safe. Less stolen guns, less mentally unstable people getting guns, less problems.
Well, this is where I'm at (and yes, I understand the point of the second amendment, who wrote it, and what they had just accomplished): I believe there is one, and only one, reason for any government to impede the ability of its citizens to own firearms. I also believe that the government's war on smoking has given provided them with a blueprint to make it happen. As a result, **** reason and compromise. Every compromise is just one more rung down the ladder. Background checks becomes registrations - going after "assault" weapons becomes confiscating semi-automatic rifles, them semi-automatic pistols, then shotguns, then pistols, then it's all over.

No compromising, no reasoning, no nothing, not ever. Enough. If the other side wins a point, I want them to feel like they've been raped by a jackhammer when it's all said and done.

And where and how I store my weapons is my business, not yours or the government's. Rest assured I don't leave them "on the street," or have a big sign on my door that says "Guns, inquire within."
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I've mentioned psych evals in more than one post. I had an uncle get his guns taken away for being deemed a lunatic. My whole family sleeps a little better at night knowing this. The problem is, some states don't/won't volunteer the info to the data base.

Therein lies another problem. Just how crazy do you have to be considered to take guns away and who should be judging how crazy you are.
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