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Old 04-10-2013, 03:43 PM  
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I'm now more sure than ever that Geno's going #1 overall.

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The Raiders are signing QB Seneca Wallace after working him out, Tyler Thigpen and perhaps others
The Raiders are signing up so many QBs that it is now virtually impossible they would take Geno Smith, even if he was available at #3 overall.

And they'd be theoretically passing on him for Seneca Wallace, Terrell (sp?) Pryor and maybe even Tyler ****ing Thigpen.

What's far more likely, is what some of us already suspect: they're not passing on him at all.

Like all of the QB-specific movement that immediately pre-dated the Geno visit in KC, I think the worst kept secret behind the closed doors of GM offices across the league is that Geno Smith is officially off the board at #1 overall.

I personally think it is down to the Eagles and the Jaguars. The Eagles want Geno as a developmental guy behind Vick, and the Jags, who are largely believed to like Geno, don't want to get jumped, a la Browns with Trent Richardson last year.

And then there's the least likely option, but one I think is still somehow alive: that the Chiefs actually think Geno fits what they're trying to do, and can be special, and that they will take Geno #1 overall if the compensation they are offered for trading down isn't sexy enough.

I may have my head up my ass, as I so often do. But I think the reasonable assumption to make from here on out that Geno Smith is known league-wide to be the first overall pick. The league almost certainly knows who the players for that pick are. And I'm willing to bet the league almost certainly assumes the Chiefs are not in the running for Geno. There has been absolutely no smoke for that particular fire to be real.
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:10 PM   #196
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You advocate drafting a RT, LG, C, WR, ILB, or a CB at 1.1?

I'm just trying to make sure you're really this dumb. I want to get this right.
In a draft thats extremely deep at those exact positions, that wouldn't be the best idea.
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:12 PM   #197
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It was a ****ing fallacy, you moron. For reasons I've already ****ing explained.

A: Drafting a QB in the first round is the most likely way to find a franchise starter. We haven't done so in 30 years. Maybe we should change that.
B: You also haven't vacated all your draft picks. Do you want to change to that strategy?

That's what he ****ing said, right? That's a fallacy. It's the exact same thing as:

A: All my friends built successful football teams by drafting a QB in the first round.
B: If all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?


lol, its so cute when you try to act smart and use intellectual words to prove a point, and then make a really bad point for your argument.

The aspect is extremism, you moron.

And your second A/B reference is misleading and highly off subject.

Of all 32 teams today, the top 16 (successful) rosters were not all put together with QB's from the 1st round.


More importantly going to your first A/B point, he was bringing up an action polarizing your extremist argument, which is, we must draft first round QB's.

You NEVER made a point that 1st round QB's tend to have higher chances at being franchise QB's. You simply stated we had to use our 1st on a QB because we never do it.

You didn't use logic to make your point, which would have sounded like, "We have the 1.1 pick, we can take anybody in the draft. We need a franchise QB and there's a higher percentage chance that our pick will land a Franchise QB than if we chose a QB in the 2nd round".

Had you said that, nobody would ever argue with you, because it is true.

But no, your reasoning for drafting in a QB wasn't intellectual, or logical. You didn't use reason for suggesting we draft a QB in the 1st round, you used some bogus superstition that you want to break. According to you, we should draft a QB in the 1st round because we haven't done it in a billion years. That, is illogical, sir.
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:15 PM   #198
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For someone who says you don't NEED a first round QB to be succesful, it's a little ironic that same person says you need to spend the first overall pick on a LG or C, or for that matter a CB when we just signed 2 in free agency to start, or a 34 ILB.
Really? I said we need to spend the first overall pick on those positions?

Quote me saying that.

I merely pointed out that we have positions of need that would immediately impact this team as a starter, over selecting a QB who at best, is your #3 QB this year.

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You advocate drafting a RT, LG, C, WR, ILB, or a CB at 1.1?

I'm just trying to make sure you're really this dumb. I want to get this right.
No, I am not advocating that. I never once stated that the selection would be based on the 1.1.

Again, try a little reading comprehension and stop making assumptions.

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In a draft thats extremely deep at those exact positions, that wouldn't be the best idea.
According to whom?

Deep as in plenty of future talent? Or deep as in plenty of starter talent?

As it sits right now, there's probably 3 starting corners and 2 starting 3-4 ILB's in this draft.
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:16 PM   #199
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The 1st round is the best place to find a franchise QB. It isn't the only place, as it's not the only place to find a franchise anything. But the percentages are better, as better players are generally taken there.


The Chiefs picked a shit year to be there at the top, when there isn't an elite guy at any spot there. It is what it is.
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:17 PM   #200
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The 1st round is the best place to find a franchise QB. It isn't the only place, as it's not the only place to find a franchise anything. But the percentages are better, as better players are generally taken there.


The Chiefs picked a shit year to be there at the top, when there isn't an elite guy at any spot there. It is what it is.
And looking at our situation right now, would drafting Geno Smith@ 1.1 make any sense whatsoever?
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:17 PM   #201
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God, you couldn't be more wrong.

In our style of a 3-4, we don't need another pass rusher, we have plenty. Tamba Hali and Justin Houston really are all the pass rushers we need. DE's in our style of a 3-4 are less about pass rushing technique and more about a bull rush/run stopping approach. So saying we need a pass rusher, or that the only thing that could make this team better is a pass rusher, is stupid. That just adds depth.

We could immediately use:

1. RT
2. LG
3. Center

Positions that Joeckel, Fisher, and/or Warmack could fill immediately. And saying the 1.1 isn't going to make a difference in his rookie year is the most idiotic thing I've heard in quite a long time, our 1.1 will be an immediate starter on this team. If that isn't "making a difference" I don't know what is.

We could also immediately use:

1. Wide Receiver
2. Inside Linebacker
3. Cornerback

Guys like Patterson, Austin, Te'o, Milliner, Rhodes, and Ogletree.


If we could ask for a best case scenario, its going to be trading back with the Bills, Jets, or whomever into the 8-17 range, and picking up an extra pick or two.

Drafting Geno smith would be a major setback to this regime.
So in this thread, you aren't advocating drafting any of these guys?
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:19 PM   #202
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So in this thread, you aren't advocating drafting any of these guys?
I'm all for drafting any of those guys over Geno Smith, and several others who aren't even listed............
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:19 PM   #203
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You list Teo as a starting 34 ILB, when thats not even what he fits into. There are about 5 34 ILB prospects that will be available in the 3 round who could start immediately.
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:20 PM   #204
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Really? I said we need to spend the first overall pick on those positions?

Quote me saying that.

I merely pointed out that we have positions of need that would immediately impact this team as a starter, over selecting a QB who at best, is your #3 QB this year.



No, I am not advocating that. I never once stated that the selection would be based on the 1.1.

Again, try a little reading comprehension and stop making assumptions.



According to whom?

Deep as in plenty of future talent? Or deep as in plenty of starter talent?

As it sits right now, there's probably 3 starting corners and 2 starting 3-4 ILB's in this draft.
So I just quoted you saying that and you verified that yes, you would draft any of those guys at 1. Guys who would play RT, LG, C, #4 CB, #3 WR for us.
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You advocate drafting a RT, LG, C, WR, ILB, or a CB at 1.1?

I'm just trying to make sure you're really this dumb. I want to get this right.
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You list Teo as a starting 34 ILB, when thats not even what he fits into. There are about 5 34 ILB prospects that will be available in the 3 round who could start immediately.
He could immediately plug into our defense and replace belcher at belcher's level of play. Whether that he's natural fitment or not, make no difference.

Also, I don't see 5 ILB's available in round 3 that could start for us immediately.

Please name them.
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So I just quoted you saying that and you verified that yes, you would draft any of those guys at 1. Guys who would play RT, LG, C, #4 CB, #3 WR for us.
ANNNNNNNNNNNNNN


Wrong.

I didn't say, nor did you quote me saying I'd draft them AT 1.

I said I'd draft them. I didn't say where.

I specifically listed guys anywhere from the #8ish spot all the way up into the high 20's because I'm advocating trading out more than anything, and I might have even said that in this thread already.

Pay more attention.
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He could immediately plug into our defense and replace belcher at belcher's level of play. Whether that he's natural fitment or not, make no difference.

Also, I don't see 5 ILB's available in round 3 that could start for us immediately.

Please name them.
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