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Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

Health Care: As Democrats grow increasingly worried that ObamaCare will explode on the launch pad just as midterm elections get going, the Obama administration seeks to pin blame on Republicans. Good luck with that.

Earlier this week, Health and Human Services head Kathleen Sebelius admitted that she didn't realize how complicated getting ObamaCare off the ground would be.

Sebelius complained that "no one fully anticipated" the difficulties involved in implementing ObamaCare, or how confusing it would be with the public.

She wasn't talking about the massive and impossible task of imposing central planning on one-sixth of the nation's economy.

Instead, she was trying to find a way to blame Republicans for ObamaCare's failures when the inevitable problems start emerging.

Rather than say "let's get on board, let's make this work," recalcitrant Republicans have forced her to engage in "state-by-state political battles," Sebelius said at a Harvard School of Public Health forum. "The politics has been relentless."

So let's see if we get this. Democrats shoved an unpopular, expensive, ill-conceived and poorly written law down the country's throat with no Republican support, and without bothering to see whether states would want to take on the thankless and costly task of helping the feds implement it.

And now that many of these states are rebelling, it's the Republicans' fault?

Sebelius' fellow Democrat, West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller, had a more accurate take on the problem the administration faces: the law is "probably the most complicated piece of legislation ever passed by the United States Congress" and "if it isn't done right the first time, it will just simply get worse."

Rockefeller, like a growing number of Democrats, realizes that ObamaCare is shaping up to be a political disaster for the party next November.

The influential Cook Political Report noted earlier this month that almost all of the Democratic insiders they talked to "voiced concern about the potential for the issue to hurt Democrats in 2014."

And just what could explain these concerns?

Maybe it's because even Sebelius now admits that ObamaCare will force insurance claims up 32%.

Or possibly it's because, despite endless assurances that the insurance exchanges would be ready on time, the administration had to delay for a year a key feature meant to give small business a choice of health plans.

Or because neither Sebelius nor the states have provided evidence they can get the rest of the exchanges ready by Oct. 1, when ObamaCare's open enrollment begins.

Or perhaps Democrats' fears stem from state insurance commissioners warning of a rate shock once ObamaCare's "community rating" rules and benefit mandates start. Or from rising evidence the law is hurting job growth as small businesses try to avoid its costs.

None of this, mind you, has anything to do with Republicans. And if the GOP were smart, it'd be focused on making sure that, come next November, the public knows that, too.


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Old 04-12-2013, 08:28 AM   #16
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:55 AM   #17
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You rightwing nutjob teaparty boobs just don't know when to shut the fugg up...

Exhibit A:

Well a month ago, my oldest boy got sick...I was incredibly thankful and so excited when we caught his appendicitis, and he was in and OUT of surgery and the hospital in 4 hours? Yeah....you guessed it...

FOUR hours = $22,000 ($1,800 out of pocket--including $6,000 for 'hospital miscellaneous,' which I'm guessing is an industry euphemism for "ass-raping patients with insurance."

Any of you douchebags who want to dare suggest that our entire healthcare system was anything but totally fugged-up beyond belief and any hopes of repair? Go right ahead and make a fool of yourselves..you've certainly not been shy about it, and it's actually something you do very well.

Despite the bullshit tea-leaves reading from RWNJs on this site....I'm not a big Obama fan by any stetch of the imagination, but to any critics who want to criticize him for trying....just shut up, before you embarrass yourself. Just go drink some anti-freeze, eat a bag of dicks, and die in an Aids fire....etc.

Thanks for your time. Now, carry on your teabagging circle-jerk.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:02 AM   #18
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You rightwing nutjob teaparty boobs just don't know when to shut the fugg up...

Exhibit A:

Well a month ago, my oldest boy got sick...I was incredibly thankful and so excited when we caught his appendicitis, and he was in and OUT of surgery and the hospital in 4 hours? Yeah....you guessed it...

FOUR hours = $22,000 ($1,800 out of pocket--including $6,000 for 'hospital miscellaneous,' which I'm guessing is an industry euphemism for "ass-raping patients with insurance."

Any of you douchebags who want to dare suggest that our entire healthcare system was anything but totally fugged-up beyond belief and any hopes of repair? Go right ahead and make a fool of yourselves..you've certainly not been shy about it, and it's actually something you do very well.

Despite the bullshit tea-leaves reading from RWNJs on this site....I'm not a big Obama fan by any stetch of the imagination, but to any critics who want to criticize him for trying....just shut up, before you embarrass yourself. Just go drink some anti-freeze, eat a bag of dicks, and die in an Aids fire....etc.

Thanks for your time. Now, carry on your teabagging circle-jerk.
so Obamacare makes it worse and then the attempt to blame Repubs......just already
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You rightwing nutjob teaparty boobs just don't know when to shut the fugg up...

Exhibit A:

Well a month ago, my oldest boy got sick...I was incredibly thankful and so excited when we caught his appendicitis, and he was in and OUT of surgery and the hospital in 4 hours? Yeah....you guessed it...

FOUR hours = $22,000 ($1,800 out of pocket--including $6,000 for 'hospital miscellaneous,' which I'm guessing is an industry euphemism for "ass-raping patients with insurance."

Any of you douchebags who want to dare suggest that our entire healthcare system was anything but totally fugged-up beyond belief and any hopes of repair? Go right ahead and make a fool of yourselves..you've certainly not been shy about it, and it's actually something you do very well.

Despite the bullshit tea-leaves reading from RWNJs on this site....I'm not a big Obama fan by any stetch of the imagination, but to any critics who want to criticize him for trying....just shut up, before you embarrass yourself. Just go drink some anti-freeze, eat a bag of dicks, and die in an Aids fire....etc.

Thanks for your time. Now, carry on your teabagging circle-jerk.
Our healthcare system has been ****ed up for years. We all know that. The best way to make it even worse....put the government in charge of it.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:11 AM   #20
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Our healthcare system has been ****ed up for years. We all know that. The best way to make it even worse....put the government in charge of it.

The Republicans offered no serious real alternative--in over 20 years (1993-present,) and deserve all the blame for that.
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You rightwing nutjob teaparty boobs just don't know when to shut the fugg up...

Exhibit A:

Well a month ago, my oldest boy got sick...I was incredibly thankful and so excited when we caught his appendicitis, and he was in and OUT of surgery and the hospital in 4 hours? Yeah....you guessed it...

FOUR hours = $22,000 ($1,800 out of pocket--including $6,000 for 'hospital miscellaneous,' which I'm guessing is an industry euphemism for "ass-raping patients with insurance."

Any of you douchebags who want to dare suggest that our entire healthcare system was anything but totally fugged-up beyond belief and any hopes of repair? Go right ahead and make a fool of yourselves..you've certainly not been shy about it, and it's actually something you do very well.

Despite the bullshit tea-leaves reading from RWNJs on this site....I'm not a big Obama fan by any stetch of the imagination, but to any critics who want to criticize him for trying....just shut up, before you embarrass yourself. Just go drink some anti-freeze, eat a bag of dicks, and die in an Aids fire....etc.

Thanks for your time. Now, carry on your teabagging circle-jerk.
Mr.K- in an honest attempt to understand, how does Obamacare solve this issue? Is it the difference in policy that will be carried, the deductible and the reimbursed expenses and what are the impacts on premiums?
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You rightwing nutjob teaparty boobs just don't know when to shut the fugg up...

Exhibit A:

Well a month ago, my oldest boy got sick...I was incredibly thankful and so excited when we caught his appendicitis, and he was in and OUT of surgery and the hospital in 4 hours? Yeah....you guessed it...

FOUR hours = $22,000 ($1,800 out of pocket--including $6,000 for 'hospital miscellaneous,' which I'm guessing is an industry euphemism for "ass-raping patients with insurance."

Any of you douchebags who want to dare suggest that our entire healthcare system was anything but totally fugged-up beyond belief and any hopes of repair? Go right ahead and make a fool of yourselves..you've certainly not been shy about it, and it's actually something you do very well.

Despite the bullshit tea-leaves reading from RWNJs on this site....I'm not a big Obama fan by any stetch of the imagination, but to any critics who want to criticize him for trying....just shut up, before you embarrass yourself. Just go drink some anti-freeze, eat a bag of dicks, and die in an Aids fire....etc.

Thanks for your time. Now, carry on your teabagging circle-jerk.
The group of conservatives (or "rightwing nutjob teaparty boobs" as you call them) who defend the status quo system as unbroken, is extremely small and possibly non-existant.

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Mr.K- in an honest attempt to understand, how does Obamacare solve this issue? Is it the difference in policy that will be carried, the deductible and the reimbursed expenses and what are the impacts on premiums?
Over time, costs will be forced down (real costs adjusted for inflation.) Unfortunately, it's a work in progress and, yes, there will be changes. At some point sigificant changes (the role of insurance, expanded single-payer alternatives, and rationing) will be made, but Americans are too big a pussys to face facts and reality. They can't handle the truth, so incrementalism is the only way to get there from here.

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The group of conservatives (or "rightwing nutjob teaparty boobs" as you call them) who defend the status quo system as unbroken, is extremely small and possibly non-existant.

Yet they offered no real alternatives. None that actually addressed the real issues, anyway.
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The Republicans offered no serious real alternative--in over 20 years (1993-present,) and deserve all the blame for that.
I'm all for a solution, Obamacare is NOT it..The assraping will get worse..wait and see. I would have taken Single payer in a second over this shit.
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I'm all for a solution, Obamacare is NOT it..The assraping will get worse..wait and see.
Obamacare is only the beginning....because Americans couldn't handle the truth, so we had to settle for a step in the right direction.
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Obamacare is only the beginning....because Americans couldn't handle the truth, so we had to settle for a step in the right direction.
This is a step in the wrong direction, we now are forced to buy insurance and that's about it...What has deflated in price over the years?
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Over time, costs will be forced down (real costs adjusted for inflation.)
O.M.G. Keep believin' that, Kotter.
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Over time, costs will be forced down (real costs adjusted for inflation.) Unfortunately, it's a work in progress and, yes, there will be changes. At some point sigificant changes (the role of insurance, expanded single-payer alternatives, and rationing) will be made, but Americans are too big a pussys to face facts and reality. They can't handle the truth, so incrementalism is the only way to get there from here.

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Yet they offered no real alternatives. None that actually addressed the real issues, anyway.
So that's it? Your entire case rests on a belief in magic?
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I'm no big fan of the republicans either, but it isn't the government's job to run the healthcare industry.
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I'm no big fan of the republicans either, but it isn't the government's job to run the healthcare industry.
I'd generally agree; but when NOTHING else works, it's sometimes necessary. When the free market fails so miserably, it's the only real option. The industry was given opportunities to fix itself, time and again over the last 2-40 years....and all they ever, really, seemed to care about is higher profits. Period. By putting profits ahead of patients, they brought it on themselves.

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So that's it? Your entire case rests on a belief in magic?

Actually, my case rests on Americans are big pussys who can't handle the truth. Thus, they can only handle change in small doses.
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