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Old 04-18-2013, 10:16 AM  
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Will the Boston bombers be hired by Columbia University?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...7PwFkbO1NheqNL

Tale of two terrorists
By JOHN M. MURTAGH

Last Updated: 12:46 AM, April 18, 2013

Posted: 11:54 PM, April 17, 2013

Somewhere near Boston early Monday morning, he packed a bomb in a bag. It was by all accounts relatively crude — a pressure cooker, explosives, some wires, ball bearings and nails . . . nails which, hours later, doctors would struggle to remove from the flesh of bleeding victims.

His motive is unclear. His intent is not: It was to maximize injury, suffering, pain, trauma and, yes, death.

Perhaps Monday’s bomber will be caught, perhaps not.

Perhaps Monday’s bomber will be offered a teaching job at Columbia University.

Forty-three years ago last month, Kathy Boudin, now a professor at Columbia but then a member of the Weather Underground, escaped an explosion at a bomb factory operated in a townhouse in Greenwich Village. The story is familiar to people of a certain age.

Three weeks earlier, Boudin’s Weathermen had firebombed a private home in Upper Manhattan with Molotov cocktails. Their target was my father, a New York state Supreme Court justice. The rest of the family, was presumably, an afterthought. I was 9 at the time, only a year older than the youngest victim in Boston.

One of Boudin’s colleagues, Cathy Wilkerson, related in her memoir that the Weathermen were disappointed with the minimal effects of the bombs at my home. They decided to use dynamite the next time and bought a large quantity along with fuses, metal pipes and, yes, nails. The group designated as its next target a dance at an Officer’s Club at Fort Dix, NJ.

Despite the misgivings of some, it is reported that Kathy Boudin urged the use of “anti-personnel bombs.” In other words, she wanted to kill people not just damage property. Before they could act, her fellows were killed in the townhouse explosion. The townhouse itself collapsed; Boudin fled.

She reappeared over a decade later driving the getaway car for the rag tag mix of Weathermen and Black Panthers who held up a Rockland County bank in 1981, murdering three in the process. Survivors of the ambush along the New York State Thruway recount how Boudin emerged from the driver’s door, arms raised in surrender, asking the police to lower their guns. When they did, her accomplices burst from the back of the van guns blazing.

As I said, people of a certain age remember this history. For those that don’t, Robert Redford is kindly about to release a movie recounting the Rockland robbery (albeit relocated to Michigan). By all accounts, the film lionizes the Weather Underground terrorists, Boudin and her accomplices.

Perhaps to bring it full circle, Professor Boudin can soon guest-lecture at a film class at Columbia when the Redford movie is screened.

Other than the passage of time, one can find no real distinction between the cowardly actions of last Monday’s Boston murderer and the terror carried out by Boudin and her accomplices. Yet today we live in a country where our leading educational institutions see fit to trust our children’s education to murderers and Hollywood sees fit to celebrate terrorists.

The Web site of Columbia’s School of Social Work sums up Boudin’s past thus: “Dr. Kathy Boudin has been an educator and counselor with experience in program development since 1964, working within communities with limited resources to solve social problems.”

“Since 1964” — that would include the bombing of my house, it would include the anti-personnel devices intended for Fort Dix and it would include the dead policeman on the side of the Thruway in 1981.

Maybe, if he is caught, Monday’s bomber can explain that, like Boudin, he was merely working within the community to solve social problems.

Perhaps Monday’s bomber will be caught, perhaps not. Perhaps, some day, Monday’s bomber will be offered tenure at Columbia University.


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Old 04-18-2013, 09:24 PM   #121
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One of the comments in that essay someone linked earlier in this thread had an interesting question. Would Columbia hire a right wing, rehabilitated ex-terrorist?
I wonder if they would hire someone like David Duke (who is fully paid up to society for his non-violent crimes) for the diversity of his views on culture.
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Old 04-18-2013, 09:27 PM   #122
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Not if she's sticking to the curriculum. Why don't we ask her students how they feel about her abilities?

One things for sure, you have no business being a teacher since you just make stuff up.
More than likely, she creates the curriculum, which is a big sticking point here.
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Old 04-18-2013, 09:30 PM   #123
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I think it is morally wrong to hire someone who has done such heinous things in their life to teach and have influence over young college students. To me, it is akin to hiring a pedophile in a daycare. Whether she has served her time or not, and whether she is still an active terrorist are irrelevant. It is not worth taking the chance, in my opinion.
I think it is crucial to a just society that people can do wrong, repent, and redeem themselves.

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Columbia certainly has done its best to not acknowledge her past....it is not even in her bio. Hiding it from parents and potential students perhaps?
Perhaps it's because she actually distances herself from that era of mistaken-youth?

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I think she is evil. As evil as any member of Al Qaeda. I do not think she takes full responsibility for her actions. I think her "remorse" was more for the parole board than anything else. But those are strictly my opinions.
Nice presumptions. On the other hand, we don't even have to presume that you make up facts to suit your agenda. You've been caught in this thread doing so.
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:01 AM   #124
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I think it is crucial to a just society that people can do wrong, repent, and redeem themselves.



Perhaps it's because she actually distances herself from that era of mistaken-youth?



Nice presumptions. On the other hand, we don't even have to presume that you make up facts to suit your agenda. You've been caught in this thread doing so.
That is a lie. I stated that she was not repentant. I did do a google search, and found no proof of any statements of regret or any attempt by her to make amends for her heinous crimes. KChiefer corrected my error but supplying a single statement she gave during her fourth parole hearing. I acknowledged that he had shown she had expressed regret. Just because I was wrong, that does not mean I made stuff up. I finally did find the statement KChiefer quoted on an webpage archive...since the original website no longer exists.

You have no proof that I made anything up. That can be your opinion, but it is intellectually dishonest of you to present that as fact. You seem to be really good at that. The only proof you had is that I made a mistake...which really amounts to nothing, since I am human, and humans are prone to make mistakes.

No one else (except maybe KChiefer) seems to think I have lied in this thread, so your opinion is not only incorrect, but in the distinct minority. Have a nice day.
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:08 AM   #125
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For the record Jenson, here is the link to her full letter of apology that she submitted to the parole...not the web address, and that it is from an internet archive, and the page is not on the internet itself. It is certainly not the first link that appears when one googles "Kathy Boudin apology"...which is what I used to do a reasonable search. If you still want to call me a liar, go ahead, but everyone will know how intellectually dishonest you are being.

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Old 04-19-2013, 06:04 AM   #126
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"Morally, since she is unrepentant about the crimes she has committed, she is a terrorist."

You said that, although you had no idea of its truth. You made that up in order to advance your agenda against her.

And now you accuse me of being "intellectually dishonest." In this thread about a convict, you appear to be the low-life around. Amend your ways.
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Old 04-19-2013, 08:24 AM   #127
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"Morally, since she is unrepentant about the crimes she has committed, she is a terrorist."

You said that, although you had no idea of its truth. You made that up in order to advance your agenda against her.

And now you accuse me of being "intellectually dishonest." In this thread about a convict, you appear to be the low-life around. Amend your ways.
And you said "Perhaps it's because she actually distances herself from that era of mistaken-youth?" Like she was some punk kid that deserves a break. But she was 38 when she committed the second crime.
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:16 AM   #128
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:04 PM   #129
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And you said "Perhaps it's because she actually distances herself from that era of mistaken-youth?" Like she was some punk kid that deserves a break. But she was 38 when she committed the second crime.
Yes, her membership with WU started in her youth, and it continued until later. I don't think she was a punk kid that deserved a break when she participated in that felony-murder. I think the sentence was well deserved and just.
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"Morally, since she is unrepentant about the crimes she has committed, she is a terrorist."

You said that, although you had no idea of its truth. You made that up in order to advance your agenda against her.

And now you accuse me of being "intellectually dishonest." In this thread about a convict, you appear to be the low-life around. Amend your ways.
Step forth with your evidence, otherwise sit down and shut up. My statement was the best of my knowledge at the time, after a fruitless google search on my part. Was I incorrect? Yes, turns out she apologized to the parole board after failing to get parole three times. One can be incorrect about facts in a discussion without being a liar, a concept that you clearly cannot comprehend.

Amend your ways, you lying asshole...you have no proof for you accusations, and you know it. Prove that I made that statement while knowing an apology existed. You can't. Clearly you missed the day they went over evidence presenting in law school.
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Step forth with your evidence, otherwise sit down and shut up. My statement was the best of my knowledge at the time, after a fruitless google search on my part. Was I incorrect? Yes, turns out she apologized to the parole board after failing to get parole three times. One can be incorrect about facts in a discussion without being a liar, a concept that you clearly cannot comprehend.

Amend your ways, you lying asshole...you have no proof for you accusations, and you know it. Prove that I made that statement while knowing an apology existed. You can't. Clearly you missed the day they went over evidence presenting in law school.
Your willful ignorance plea is denied. You clearly had an agenda to push and affirmatively said she was unrepentant, meaning you knew (or thought you knew) she was unapologetic of her actions.

You can either take this as a lesson of your own bad faith, or continue your hole-digging. Either way, you have no excuse to not preface your future assertions of someone's mental state by including reference to your poor research skills.
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Your willful ignorance plea is denied. You clearly had an agenda to push and affirmatively said she was unrepentant, meaning you knew (or thought you knew) she was unapologetic of her actions.

You can either take this as a lesson of your own bad faith, or continue your hole-digging. Either way, you have no excuse to not preface your future assertions of someone's mental state by including reference to your poor research skills.
You are the only one who thinks I am digging a hole. No bad faith on my part. And there is no fancy terms that you can use to cover up the fact that you cannot prove what my motives and intentions were. Did I think she was unapologetic? Yes. Did I google "kathy boudin apology" before I posted that I felt she was unrepentant. Yes. Posters on here can draw their own conclusions. Feel free to compromise your own personal integrity by continuing to lie by stating you know my motives and intentions.
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You are the only one who thinks I am digging a hole. No bad faith on my part. And there is no fancy terms that you can use to cover up the fact that you cannot prove what my motives and intentions were. Did I think she was unapologetic? Yes. Did I google "kathy boudin apology" before I posted that I felt she was unrepentant. Yes. Posters on here can draw their own conclusions. Feel free to compromise your own personal integrity by continuing to lie by stating you know my motives and intentions.
"Morally, since she is unrepentant about the crimes she has committed, she is a terrorist."

This is a statement of affirmation. I felt you made it either in willful ignorance ("I'm not going to actually verify this, but I'll assume it to be true") or lied ("I know this is not true, but I will say it otherwise"). Your new story is that you're too ignorant to complete a decent internet search over something you don't know but still make an affirmative statement about.

Those are your options. Yes, I'm fine with posters on here drawing their own conclusions about your character and mine in this thread.
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"Morally, since she is unrepentant about the crimes she has committed, she is a terrorist."

This is a statement of affirmation. I felt you made it either in willful ignorance ("I'm not going to actually verify this, but I'll assume it to be true") or lied ("I know this is not true, but I will say it otherwise"). Your new story is that you're too ignorant to complete a decent internet search over something you don't know but still make an affirmative statement about.

Those are your options. Yes, I'm fine with posters on here drawing their own conclusions about your character and mine in this thread.
I type the term "kathy boudin apology" into google. Found no links to an apology in the first couple of pages of said search, and went with it.

My story is not new at all...I acknowledged my error after her apology was posted. At no point has my story changed....by calling it my "new" story" you are implying that there was different excuse offered....which is a lie, and you know that, since you have read the thread.

Your attempts are parsing language (statement of affirmation, etc.) are weak at best and easily seen through by anyone with any common sense. You try to make yourself appear as a know it all intellectual....but instead you wide up looking like an arrogant ass.
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I type the term "kathy boudin apology" into google. Found no links to an apology in the first couple of pages of said search, and went with it.
Let's go with that, then. Hopefully you learned something.
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