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Old 04-18-2013, 11:01 PM  
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Albert/Joeckel perspective

How would you feel if the Chiefs had the #2 overall pick and packaged it and Albert for Joeckel? Because that's what the Chiefs are on the brink of doing.

#1 pick = 3000 points
#54 pick = 360 points

difference is 2640 points

#2 pick is worth 2600 points

Chiefs are going to invest 3000 - 360 = 2640 points to replace Albert with Joeckel. It could be a good deal for the Chiefs if 1) Albert is out of the league in two years, 2) Jockel is a HOFer and 3) the alternatives (like Geno) don't have very good careers.
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:31 AM   #46
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hat said, Branden Albert is a better LT than the majority of starters who have played in the last five Super Bowls. He's not a problem.
He's a problem for a new regime that not only questions his ability but the amount of money he's demanding.

Let's not be naive about his demands: He's wanting to be paid as a Top 3 left tackle, something that he has not demonstrated to date. He's nearly 29 years old, so it's unlikely, given his position and size, that he'll play at a high level for more than three years.

Why pay him nearly $10 million per year for sub-Top 3 play?

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Furthermore, why wouldn't Albert say he's only going to play LT? What is the point of moving Branden Albert to any other position on the line?
This is just more evidence that he's not welcome and not in their long-term plans. Once again, it's time to move on.
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:33 AM   #47
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Fill in the blank: Albert is the ________ best tackle in the NFL
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:34 AM   #48
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:42 AM   #49
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I already knew just from looking at it that this deal was terrible for the Chiefs.

I didn't need the stat guy to mathematically prove it for me. That just makes it sting even more.
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:42 AM   #50
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It helps me understand your perspective WRT: Albert. I get the underlying logic, I just disagree on the ranking, which makes consensus impossible.
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:47 AM   #51
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It helps me understand your perspective WRT: Albert. I get the underlying logic, I just disagree on the ranking, which makes consensus impossible.
It's all good, Dude. Thank you for the conversation!

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Old 04-19-2013, 12:47 AM   #52
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not necessarily, you arent even factoring the impact that Alex Smith has. Alex Smith, at least for this year, will outplay the 34th pick in the draft. So the value that you gave up, to what you get, will be less. Meaning the Chiefs won.

Dont you think?
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:50 AM   #53
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I also think he will play past 32, but hey....I don't really know....

I just think if our goal is to collect peaches, we shouldnt trade a peach for an apple then draft a peach to replace it

we should hold on to the peach, and draft another

but thats just me
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Old 04-19-2013, 01:05 AM   #54
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Albert + Jordan > Joeckel
Albert + Warmack > Joeckel
Albert + Jones > Joeckel
Albert + Milliner > Joeckel
It's not just Joeckel. It would be Joeckel, a second round pick, and the free agent you can buy with the dollar savings (which is going to be $5-7M per year -- a pretty healthy amount). None of the options besides Geno should excite anyone. Let's be real -- this is just a shitty year to be at the top of the draft.
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Old 04-19-2013, 01:29 AM   #55
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**** it. Better sign one of them fancy passrushing DEs with the Albert money you're saving.
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:04 AM   #56
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I'm suspecting that the Dolphins will sign Albert to a reasonable deal. I'd take that deal for the Chiefs.
I bet they sign him to a resonable deal too. But only because Albert has to have realized by now how soft the market is and that he's not getting the sort of money he wanted.

Unfortunately, players in that position rarely go back to their original team to say "You guys were right, I was asking for way too much". Some guys get so butt hurt that they end up taking less money somewhere else than what their original team was offering them.

But that he's looking for big money shouldn't even be up for debate. NFL.com just said in the last few days that Albert was looking for a "monster" contract. That's the strongest terms I've seen it put in yet. Other reports this week said the Chiefs told other teams what kind of money Albert was looking for. How many stayed interested? One. Out of desperation.

There is nothing, up to and including common sense, to suggest that Albert's just looking for a nice reasonable deal and it's everyone else's fault he hasn't gotten it.
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Old 04-19-2013, 05:20 AM   #57
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Old 04-19-2013, 05:42 AM   #58
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The point that no one wants to acknowledge. In 5 years max, Albert WILL be out of the league, and Joeckell will be 26. Joeckell, will also get a 5 year rookie deal this year, that will be cheaper than Alberts deal. Albert, has also shown the propensity to be about Albert, and not about the team. If i was going to pay you 12 million dollars a year, if i wanted you to play water boy, you better get your ass out there and make sure there isnt a thirsty player on the field. Albert isnt that. Albert is about Albert. He didnt want to move to guard, he didnt want to move to right tackle. He wants to be Albert. A lot of people wont deal with that, which is why if you look at what the phins have done this offseason, adding mike wallace for one, they dont care about adding ME ME ME ME ME ME players. So its logical that ALbert would intrigue them.

Is there going to be a drop in production? Probably. But, when you factor in the cost of keeping Albert long term, his age, and his attitude, its not really that big of a loss.
Get the **** out of here with that shit and go kill yourself with an aids tree.
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Old 04-19-2013, 08:08 AM   #59
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Let's be real -- this is just a shitty year to be at the top of the draft.
Yeah, but you can make the best of it instead of making it into a bigger disaster.
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Old 04-19-2013, 08:50 AM   #60
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Pioli would have let Albert walk, and we would have gotten nothing. Dorsey ALMOST let Albert walk and we would have gotten nothing. (forget the comp pick later cuz it certainly wouldnt have been a 2nd rounder). It has been made clear by two regimes that Albert would not be signed long term either because of his demands, or concerns about his health. The fact that we are getting a 2nd round pick for him should be seen as a HUGE win. I look at it as either way, Albert was gone. Keeping him on the franchise tag for this year doesn't seem to be something the team wants to do. I dont really understand that since its only for one year at 9MM, but if trading him also allows the extra 5MM to sign other players, that's fine.

No one likes what we gave up for Alex Smith, no one. Alex Smith will be a huge upgrade at QB from Cassehole. getting the 2nd round pick for Albert allows us to get a S/ILB to plug another hole. I'm not ready to raise pitchforks and torches until after I see how the draft plays out.
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