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Old 04-19-2013, 12:01 PM  
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2 guys shut down a city

****ing pathetic....
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:53 AM   #181
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Point is if they were deported as the probably should have been they wouldn't have been here to blow people up. Scratch your head on that one.
First of all, who is "they"? Only one was arrested and it was a minor crime. JFC. It's not like they were caught in some terrorist plot.

Secondly, the idea that this could have been avoided by better deportation policy is just laughable. You're cherry-picking one unbelievably loose example, then suggesting that this in any way pertains to the problem. The problem is that we have plenty of crazy people legally within our borders, not that we have thousands or whatever number it is of immigrants who still live here in spite of committing a minor crime. Deporting those guys (even if we could today en masse) isn't going to make us feel any safer.

There was no point to your post except to push an agenda of swifter deportation, which I agree with.
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:58 AM   #182
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You should start a thread on that now that this one has proven to be total bullshit.
total bullshit? are you ****ing serious?

The media is ridiculously bad. Of course, it's controlled by our owners so that we stay in fear.
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Old 04-20-2013, 12:08 PM   #183
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total bullshit? are you ****ing serious?

The media is ridiculously bad. Of course, it's controlled by our owners so that we stay in fear.
I'm saying THIS thread is bullshit, not that calling out the media through all this would be bullshit. He was saying that shutting down the entire city gave these terrorist dickbags a W, but dirk digler's linked article says that the entire city didn't "shut down."
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Old 04-20-2013, 12:11 PM   #184
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Want to clarify that before I comment because I don't think that's what you meant to say. Either way it proves the point a few of us are trying to make. If you stayed home in fear then the terrorists won. If the Cops out the city on lockdown over 2 guys, the terrorists won.

That's the entire point of terrorism. Thus my saying that to bend to it's will, even for a few days, gives other terrorist groups encouragment to a degree that they can be effective with minmal effort.
Paralysis was going to occur no matter what. If they didn't catch the bomber in 3 days, how many bars and restaurants would have lost business because people stayed at home? Bruins/Red Sox games? How much tourist dollars would have been lost? I don't know if I agree with the methods of catching the two guys, but it brought normalcy versus being paralyzed for months. Or how about this -- what if the bombers were at large, not caught, and bombed a different area (e.g. a Bruins game)?

You really think the terrorists believe they won because Boston put the city on lockdown? We brought two guys who launched a sneak attack and got away to justice within a few days and the city is back to normal in almost record time.
It took months to find all those involved in the McVeigh plot. We still don't know who actually bombed Spain's trains.

If anything, I'm sure terrorists look to this and realize that it's going to be harder to get away with this, save for some kind of suicide bombing.
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Old 04-20-2013, 12:13 PM   #185
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We will make more terri'st foes
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Old 04-20-2013, 12:14 PM   #186
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Paralysis was going to occur no matter what. If they didn't catch the bomber in 3 days, how many bars and restaurants would have lost business because people stayed at home? Bruins/Red Sox games? How much tourist dollars would have been lost? I don't know if I agree with the methods of catching the two guys, but it brought normalcy versus being paralyzed for months. Or how about this -- what if the bombers were at large, not caught, and bombed a different area (e.g. a Bruins game)?

You really think the terrorists believe they won because Boston put the city on lockdown? We brought two guys who launched a sneak attack and got away to justice within a few days and the city is back to normal in almost record time.
It took months to find all those involved in the McVeigh plot. We still don't know who actually bombed Spain's trains.

If anything, I'm sure terrorists look to this and realize that it's going to be harder to get away with this, save for some kind of suicide bombing.
Of course the terrorists won. We lost many freedoms under the national security state and yet they're still here. I wouldn't be surprised if more is to come.
Thought we were defending freedom....well it's gone.
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Old 04-20-2013, 12:19 PM   #187
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Of course the terrorists won. We lost many freedoms under the national security state and yet they're still here. I wouldn't be surprised if more is to come.
Thought we were defending freedom....well it's gone.
Yeah, just listen to all those repressed sheep...

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Old 04-20-2013, 12:21 PM   #188
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Paralysis was going to occur no matter what. If they didn't catch the bomber in 3 days, how many bars and restaurants would have lost business because people stayed at home? Bruins/Red Sox games? How much tourist dollars would have been lost? I don't know if I agree with the methods of catching the two guys, but it brought normalcy versus being paralyzed for months. Or how about this -- what if the bombers were at large, not caught, and bombed a different area (e.g. a Bruins game)?

You really think the terrorists believe they won because Boston put the city on lockdown? We brought two guys who launched a sneak attack and got away to justice within a few days and the city is back to normal in almost record time.
It took months to find all those involved in the McVeigh plot. We still don't know who actually bombed Spain's trains.

If anything, I'm sure terrorists look to this and realize that it's going to be harder to get away with this, save for some kind of suicide bombing.
Well thank god none of the foreign or domestic terrorists have shown a willingness to die to achieve these acts.
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Old 04-20-2013, 12:23 PM   #189
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Of course the terrorists won. We lost many freedoms under the national security state and yet they're still here. I wouldn't be surprised if more is to come.
Thought we were defending freedom....well it's gone.
If the terrorists won, it's because they're here and they are hard to spot, and possibly to stop.

It has nothing to do with our response once the terrorist attacks took place. That's just ridiculous to suggest that terrorists will believe they won because for a few days, the city shut down. But after just a short few days, the city is the exact opposite of living in terror and the terrorists were caught (even though it often takes months to years, and often not at all). The idea that those achievements are somehow lost because we lost a few freedoms...
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Old 04-20-2013, 12:26 PM   #190
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If the terrorists won, it's because they're here and they are hard to spot, and possibly to stop.

It has nothing to do with our response once the terrorist attacks took place. That's just ridiculous to suggest that terrorists will believe they won because for a few days, the city shut down. But after just a short few days, the city is the exact opposite of living in terror and the terrorists were caught (even though it often takes months to years, and often not at all). The idea that those achievements are somehow lost because we lost a few freedoms...
Exactly. In her world it's total bullshit to have cameras everywhere filming people. What IDed these guys? Cameras everywhere filming people.
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You should start a thread on that now that this one has proven to be total bullshit.
Go hide and stfu
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Why haven't you replied to dirk's post linking to an article saying the entire city wasn't on lockdown yet?
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Why haven't you replied to dirk's post linking to an article saying the entire city wasn't on lockdown yet?
I did not see his post, I will go read. Meantime explain why the Boston PD had to order Dunkin Donuts to stay open?
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I did not see his post, I will go read. Meantime explain why the Boston PD had to order Dunkin Donuts to stay open?
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