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View Poll Results: Would you be comfortable with this in your neighborhood?
Yes. This makes me feel safer. 13 20.00%
No. This is a violation of the 4th Amendment 50 76.92%
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Old 04-21-2013, 06:22 PM  
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Old 04-21-2013, 10:43 PM   #166
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These Chechen fools were rank amateurs and yet the authorities handled the situation as if they were crack agents from SPECTRE running amok with NBC-type weapon.

OBL was smiling and smoking a blunt in his watery grave at the notion he's succeeded in turning our country against our rule of law we supposedly hold dear.
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Old 04-21-2013, 10:56 PM   #167
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I'm looking for a stronger argument out of you. Why can't you bring up points such as these posters ( or even the lead article)?

Now I ask you, why wouldn't a single warrant for all the homes-apartments in the 20-block area be impossible on a rush basis? ( To my knowledge these can be done rapidly....someone can inform me otherwise.)

Also, to my knowledge, where the suspect was found was outside the perimeter of the defined search area.


http://www.volokh.com/2013/04/19/hou...rth-amendment/
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Old 04-21-2013, 10:59 PM   #168
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Honestly I'd be changing the locks regardless if they are who they say they are. They are still human beings who have the capacity to do evil.
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Old 04-21-2013, 11:02 PM   #169
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Hopefully it is a teaching tool for the public and police. This whole deal is probably going to happen MORE...so maybe we can follow rules next time.
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Old 04-21-2013, 11:05 PM   #170
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Hopefully it is a teaching tool for the public and police. This whole deal is probably going to happen MORE...so maybe we can follow rules next time.
Exactly why, I want our FP to change. So we don't have to continue to live like this.
Like I said before, the politicians have brought this on us. Not the cops. The entire WoT has been an assault on the 4th Amendment.
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Old 04-21-2013, 11:09 PM   #171
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The law says they need a warrant to search your home. That may be a trivial principle to you, but they are going to show me a warrant.
no it doesn't......

they just wouldn't be able to use any of the evidence against you in court

which , in this case, they didnt give one **** about
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Old 04-21-2013, 11:11 PM   #172
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no it doesn't......

they just wouldn't be able to use any of the evidence against you in court

which , in this case, they didnt give one **** about
True, but that's a penalty on them for breaking the law.
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Old 04-21-2013, 11:14 PM   #173
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In Katz v. United States, 389 U.S. 347 (1967), the Supreme Court ruled that a search occurs when 1) a person expects privacy in the thing searched and 2) society believes that expectation is reasonable.
please take a poll of society and tell me that a house to house search in the neighborhood where a suspect is hiding , and has just shot a cop, carjacked someone and set off bombs, tried to run over cops, and been involved in a shootout is unreasonable.


also there could be more bombs out there...

It even turns out they were correct! they found him on private property in that area.
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Old 04-21-2013, 11:20 PM   #174
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KCheifer,
I'm looking for a stronger argument out of you. Why can't you bring up points such as these posters ( or even the lead article)?

Now I ask you, why wouldn't a single warrant for all the homes-apartments in the 20-block area be impossible on a rush basis? ( To my knowledge these can be done rapidly....someone can inform me otherwise.)

Also, to my knowledge, where the suspect was found was outside the perimeter of the defined search area.


http://www.volokh.com/2013/04/19/hou...rth-amendment/
I'm not playing twenty questions with you. You asked me a question earlier and I answered it. That's more fairness than you would afford me when I asked you a question yesterday.

As for you wanting to continue a debate about the legality of this search, again I'll refer people to Brainics post about "exigent circumstance."

If you don't agree with this being an exigent circumstance, fine.

Anyways, I really don't know why I'm bothering with you. Earlier today, you were dumb enough to entertain the idea that Navy Seals were part of some conspiracy to execute the bombing. Why in the hell, would I think you've gotten any smarter in the hours since.? Do us all a favor and swallow a box of tampons that we know you don't need anymore.
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Old 04-21-2013, 11:35 PM   #175
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I'm not playing twenty questions with you. You asked me a question earlier and I answered it. That's more fairness than you would afford me when I asked you a question yesterday.
I told you why I didn't.

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As for you wanting to continue a debate about the legality of this search, again I'll refer people to Brainics post about "exigent circumstance."

If you don't agree with this being an exigent circumstance, fine.
Yeah, I get it, he makes exceptions to the Constitution based on men making law as they go.
I'm not looking for a debate from you, as much as I am looking for you to provide more substance to your stand. You mainly have emotion. That page, almost made me change my mind. Some very good points.

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Anyways, I really don't know why I'm bothering with you. Earlier today, you were dumb enough to entertain the idea that Navy Seals were part of some conspiracy to execute the bombing. Why in the hell, would I think you've gotten any smarter in the hours since.? Do us all a favor and swallow a box of tampons that we know you don't need anymore.
"Entertained" the idea? Lol, I only said if they were, they'd be traitors. Nice use of more logical fallacies though.
Oh, and you bother with me a lot...and you know it. Just not as much as you have loved them in your home where you could give one of them a BJ.
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Old 04-22-2013, 12:25 AM   #176
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I told you why I didn't.



Yeah, I get it, he makes exceptions to the Constitution based on men making law as they go.
I'm not looking for a debate from you, as much as I am looking for you to provide more substance to your stand. You mainly have emotion. That page, almost made me change my mind. Some very good points.



"Entertained" the idea? Lol, I only said if they were, they'd be traitors. Nice use of more logical fallacies though.
Oh, and you bother with me a lot...and you know it. Just not as much as you have loved them in your home where you could give one of them a BJ.
I see what you did there
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Old 04-22-2013, 12:28 AM   #177
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:25 AM   #178
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The searches are not in violation of the 4th amendment contrary to what others have said in this thread. One of the exceptions to the 4th Amendment is the public safety exception which states the police do not need a warrant to search if they reasonably fear for their safety or the public’s safety.

And for the stupid people the Supreme Court created this exception and contrary to what you may think when the Supreme Court makes a ruling it is the law of the land whether we like it or not.

And one final piece of advice, if LEO ask you to do something unless you have something to hide\protect then it is best to do what they ask. All you are going to do is make it harder for yourself and probably end up in jail.
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:44 AM   #179
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The search is reasonable. Its in the the language of the 4th amendment. Its sucks, but its true. And while the word "reasonable" is subjective, it would seem to me that this search was the right thing to do.
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Anyways, I really don't know why I'm bothering with you. Earlier today, you were dumb enough to entertain the idea that Navy Seals were part of some conspiracy to execute the bombing. Why in the hell, would I think you've gotten any smarter in the hours since?

Those were not Navy SEALs. They were alien Greys disguised as Navy SEALs. This is all part of the Reptilians vs the Greys war. How can you people not know that? Don't you read infowars.com?
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