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View Poll Results: Would you be comfortable with this in your neighborhood?
Yes. This makes me feel safer. 13 20.00%
No. This is a violation of the 4th Amendment 50 76.92%
America is taking it up the Gaz. 2 3.08%
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Old 04-21-2013, 06:22 PM  
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:15 PM   #226
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I think they went overboard here. Yes I understand why they did what they did, but I hate to see it.

Anyway, the real question I have is, how the **** did this kid escape the first time they had him at the 7 god damn 11?
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:15 PM   #227
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Geez! WBZ-TV reported law enforcement got a search warrant late Monday to search that apartment in Revere. Uh huh, not so difficult.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3089425.html
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:16 PM   #228
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I think they went overboard here. Yes I understand why they did what they did, but I hate to see it.

Anyway, the real question I have is, how the **** did this kid escape the first time they had him at the 7 god damn 11?
I know. You know what is so sad, that MIT cop losing his life is what led to them standing out.
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:23 PM   #229
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Breaking news: Law enforcement, starting this morning, is re-entering homes in the Watertown area and has begun arresting residents for drug possession. Cops have been interviewed by Boston media, and one cop said that, "In the midst of searching for the terrorist suspect, who I thought was about to blow up the neighborhood, I had time to open a suspicious looking cookie jar underneath the coffee table in the living room. The cookie jar had "PLAYTIME!" in black magic marker written on its side. That's when I saw half a joint and a bag of what appeared to be Bosnian hitcha huayak [a popular Boston hipster drug]."

Around 12 people have been arrested so far, according to reports.
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:27 PM   #230
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I just read that there were Cape Cod Police in the Watertown area searched. Do you know how f'ing far Cape Cod is from Watertown? If that can happen so can a warrant. These can be rushed.


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Old 04-22-2013, 01:32 PM   #231
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The Text of the Fourth Amendment says:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The Courts say that you have a right to be secure against unreasonable searches and seizures, but not necessarily that every search requires a warrant or the consent of the homeowner. Reasonableness is determined by a "totality of the circumstances" analysis. There is a presumption against warrantless searches but that does not mean that you will stop every unwanted search by demanding to see a search warrant.

The Warrant clause had to do with the Framers opposition to general warrants to search a lot of places for anything in particular. So BEP's post about getting a search warrant authorizing search of all houses in the area might make the Framers wonder if BEP likes them as much as she says.

In this case, there would not be particularized probable cause for every house so it would be dishonest for any officer to swear out a warrant application and for a judge to sign it.

If any of these homeowners tried to sue saying that their 4th Amendment right to be free from an unreasonable search of their homes was violated, that would be an impossible case to win because there is a concept of qualified immunity that says that the officers had to know that they were violating that right because similar searches had been found constitutionally unreasonable in prior cases.

I think that if anybody filed a suit, the judge most likely would not let it go to trial by saying that the searches were reasonable considering all of the circumstances, but even if constitutionally unreasonable, it was a close enough call that the officers are immune from a lawsuit.

If the officers used excessive force and injured somebody, that might not get dismissed, but I do not know that anything like that happened.

I wonder what the policy was regarding a house that was unoccupied when they knocked and nobody came to the door. Whether or not they forced entry to search those houses would be interesting.
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:35 PM   #232
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Exigent rule doesn't apply. Exigent does NOT mean emergency...it means immediate response where there is no time to get a warrant. If they could get a warrant for the search in Revere they could have gotten one for a block of homes. Sorry. The greatest good all around is to be safe from govt over reach. Especially, since a WoT is claimed to possibly NEVER end. The War on Drugs already destroyed basic rights and Constitutional protections. Such situations make the people drop their guard.

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1. Requiring immediate action or remedy. See Synonyms at urgent.
2. Requiring much effort or expense; demanding.
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:41 PM   #233
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:42 PM   #234
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Exigent rule doesn't apply.
If you don't think it applies here (where a known terrorist bomber is hiding out in the neighborhood after having fled from a police murder/robbery and is suspected of having more bombs), please describe a situation where you think it does apply.
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:44 PM   #235
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Seems reasonable in this situation that our 4th amendment rights could be broken to an extent. I don't like the idea that the home owners weren't allowed to stay in their home while these searches occurred. Flip-over my bed and knock down my lamp... I want to make sure I'm right there filming you damaging my property.
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:45 PM   #236
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:47 PM   #237
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:48 PM   #238
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:50 PM   #239
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If you don't think it applies here (where a known terrorist bomber is hiding out in the neighborhood after having fled from a police murder/robbery and is suspected of having more bombs), please describe a situation where you think it does apply.
Can you think of a situation, BEP?
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