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Yes. This makes me feel safer. 13 20.00%
No. This is a violation of the 4th Amendment 50 76.92%
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Old 04-21-2013, 06:22 PM  
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:09 PM   #391
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DiLorenzo tries to make a legal argument, but his comment isn't legally in the right ballpark. The right to privacy claimed by liberals is founded in the 14th Amendment's 'due process' clause. Its historical foundations are based on lofty views of freedom and liberty and what that entails.

The privacy against unreasonable searches is contained in the 4th Amendment, and in common law there have always been exigent circumstances to its application.
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:45 AM   #392
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DiLorenzo tries to make a legal argument, but his comment isn't legally in the right ballpark. The right to privacy claimed by liberals is founded in the 14th Amendment's 'due process' clause. Its historical foundations are based on lofty views of freedom and liberty and what that entails.

The privacy against unreasonable searches is contained in the 4th Amendment, and in common law there have always been exigent circumstances to its application.
He most certainly is in the ballpark, since it's through the incorporation of the Bill of Rights and expansion of due process. He's a historian. He knows how this evolved and what BoRs were being incorporated. If privacy exists in the document, it would be in the Ninth Amendment whereas unreasonable search etc is in the 4th Amendment. I think you misunderstood him simply because he focused on that one amendment which was in relation to Watertown have agents in, never mind if it wasn't to quarter them. To sum up, you're arguing about something that isn't a real disagreement. He clearly shows the hypocrisy of Progressives here.

Also, exigent rule is a stretch here. It exists no where in the Constitution either.


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The Court continued, “The Third Amendment in its prohibition against the quartering of soldiers ‘in any house’ in time of peace without the consent of the owner is another facet of that privacy. The Fourth Amendment explicitly affirms the “right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.” The Fifth Amendment in its Self-Incrimination Clause enables the citizen to create a zone of privacy which government may not force him to surrender to his detriment. The Ninth Amendment provides: ‘The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.’”
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:05 AM   #393
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Following the path of the German National Socialists
"Police manpower was even extended by the incorporation of Nazi paramilitary organizations as auxiliary policemen. The Nazis centralized and fully funded the police to better combat criminal gangs and promote state security. The Nazi state increased staff and training, and modernized police equipment."

This has been happening in America for some time now. These are initial steps in creating a police state. The centralization is done through building authoritative organizations that control local deviations in behavior and through funding. The funding brings in militarization and central coordination, training, and routines.

America is not going to follow what Nazi Germany did in any kind of lockstep fashion. There is too much variation in situations and events and laws for any two societies to mimic one another precisely. The American police state already has some unique features such as the LOCKDOWN. The spectacle of Americans being routed from their homes with raised arms and herded down the street is not too far, however, from German soldiers arresting Jews in Warsaw in 1943:
I can see Progressives doing this to Patriots and Constitutionalists since Napolitano has already said they are terrorists. Let's face it, Progressives are socialists too. National socialists is some respects. Technically Obama is a corporatist too.

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Old 04-24-2013, 07:37 AM   #395
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He most certainly is in the ballpark, since it's through the incorporation of the Bill of Rights and expansion of due process. He's a historian. He knows how this evolved and what BoRs were being incorporated. If privacy exists in the document, it would be in the Ninth Amendment whereas unreasonable search etc is in the 4th Amendment. I think you misunderstood him simply because he focused on that one amendment which was in relation to Watertown have agents in, never mind if it wasn't to quarter them. To sum up, you're arguing about something that isn't a real disagreement. He clearly shows the hypocrisy of Progressives here.
He's not in the right ballpark. He understands that there's a ballpark, though. I'll give him some credit. Your mention of incorporation isn't relevant here. The 14th Amendment in its very text applies to states.

We do have a disagreement. DiLorenzo is conflating the 'due process' clauses' right to privacy with the 4th Amendment's limit against unreasonable searches. They are two (or three) very different Amendments, with different historical foundations.

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Also, exigent rule is a stretch here. It exists no where in the Constitution either.
If the Founders believed that all searches should require a warrant or else be illegal, then they should have said that. They didn't. They prohibited unreasonable searches. You seemingly have no idea what that means. Here's what it means: the Founders conceived of searches that were reasonable without a warrant. The legal way of saying that is "Yes, searches made under exigent circumstances."

You think you can interpret the 4th Amendment otherwise? You'd be torturing the language of the Constitution.
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:39 AM   #396
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Thank god we have you here to interpret every sentence of the Constitution.
Don't take my word for it. It's not like I came up with these arguments. I'm getting this stuff from either a plain reading of the Constitution or from Supreme Court rulings.
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Don't take my word for it. It's not like I came up with these arguments. I'm getting this stuff from either a plain reading of the Constitution or from Supreme Court rulings.
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Old 04-27-2013, 12:02 PM   #398
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Wait, so the cops can arbitrarily trash your house without a warrant because somebody wanted in a manhunt might be hiding in it, thus telling you that you have no constitutional rights, yet the minute they catch the SOB, Holder and the injustice department can't mirandize him fast enough ensuring his constitutional rights.

That's some funny moonbat shit right there.
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Old 04-27-2013, 12:50 PM   #399
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Wait, so the cops can arbitrarily trash your house without a warrant because somebody wanted in a manhunt might be hiding in it, thus telling you that you have no constitutional rights, yet the minute they catch the SOB, Holder and the injustice department can't mirandize him fast enough ensuring his constitutional rights.

That's some funny moonbat shit right there.
Gnashing their teeth over the 47% that don't believe their revisionist history on W. is keeping them busy right now
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The 4th amendment is the biggest joke ever.

Nobody in power takes it seriously, and the majority of Americans don't seem to have a problem with it. They encourage it and justify it. Soon you all will be trained so well you'll accept summary executions provided there is a 'chance' they were dangerous. Trials take too long... or whatever the excuse becomes.
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Gnashing their teeth over the 47% that don't believe their revisionist history on W. is keeping them busy right now
The USA has become the USSR, thanks to our worthless political parties and even more worthless press.
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Old 04-28-2013, 06:30 PM   #402
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The USA has become the USSR, thanks to our worthless political parties and even more worthless press.
it's basically a dictatorship here.

1% of the population has practically all of the nations wealth.

The president gets his rich friends, richer by cutting their taxes and bailing them out when they gamble and lose.

Ignore the health care and educational needs of the common people

the media appears free, but it controlled by one person and his family

lying about why you go to war, rigging elections...

Using the media to scare people into supporting policies against their interests

sorry but anybody who thinks this country is a democracy is incredibly naive.
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it's basically a dictatorship here.

1% of the population has practically all of the nations wealth.

The president gets his rich friends, richer by cutting their taxes and bailing them out when they gamble and lose.

Ignore the health care and educational needs of the common people

the media appears free, but it controlled by one person and his family

lying about why you go to war, rigging elections...

Using the media to scare people into supporting policies against their interests

sorry but anybody who thinks this country is a democracy is incredibly naive.
Or even a representative republic.
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What is missing from your poll is "Under similar circumstances* If that was the case I would have no problems with this kind of home invasive search. In fact, probably the only thing I wouldn't get that upset about, especially if a blood trail indicated the offender was more than likely taking refuge in a strangers home. For just about anything else I can think of I would be resisting their efforts.
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What is missing from your poll is "Under similar circumstances* If that was the case I would have no problems with this kind of home invasive search. In fact, probably the only thing I wouldn't get that upset about, especially if a blood trail indicated the offender was more than likely taking refuge in a strangers home. For just about anything else I can think of I would be resisting their efforts.
This is why Americans are losing their liberties. They have been conditioned to respond like this particularly by media leading us to believe that Big Brother will keeps us safer.

The fact remains, that the culprit was discovered by a private citizen.
The fact remains, that the culprit was found after the siege was lifted.
The fact remains, that it was not police cameras that identified the men.
The fact remains, that it was surveillance videos from surveillance of private businesses to punish and deter crime on their property that the FBI posted online.
The fact remains, the motive was for the wars and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan and other policies of our govt in the Middle East.
Lastly, the culprit didn't have a single weapon on him when found while the troops and police shot multiple rounds at him.

There was NO need of police-state tactics with a military-style takeover of parts of Boston in order to get one man on the loose guilty of a terrible crime when routine police work could have done it. The results were not achieved by paramilitary troops terrorizing the public. Negative consequences stem from over-reactions to terror. You're are still less likely to be killed by a terrorist and 17,600 more likely to be killed by something else. Please continue to be a sheep.

It's the government's job to protect our liberties.
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