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Old 04-23-2013, 01:42 PM  
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8th grade student suspended, arrested over gun t-shirt



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When 8th grade Jared Marcum got dressed for school on Thursday he says he had no idea that his pro-Second Amendment shirt would initiate what he calls a fight over his First Amendment rights.

"I never thought it would go this far because honestly I don't see a problem with this, there shouldn't be a problem with this," Jared said.

It was the image of a gun printed on Jared's t-shirt that sparked a dispute between a Logan Middle School teacher and Jared, that ended with Jared suspended, arrested and facing two charges, obstruction and disturbing the education process, on his otherwise spotless record.

Jared's father Allen Lardieri says he's angry he had to rush from work to pick his son up from jail over something he says was blown way out of proportion.

"I don't' see how anybody would have an issue with a hunting rifle and NRA put on a t-shirt, especially when policy doesn't forbid it," Lardieri said.

(READ MORE: Questions remain unanswered for 8th grade student arrested over shirt)

The Logan County School District's dress code policy prohibits clothing that displays profanity, violence, discriminatory messages and more but nowhere in the document does it say anything about gun images.

"He did not violate any school policy," Lardieri reiterates. "He did not become aggressive."

Now, Lardieri says he's ready to fight until the situation is made right.

"I will go to the ends of the earth, I will call people, I will write letters, I will do everything in the legal realm to make sure this does not happen again," Lardieri said.

Logan City Police did confirm that Jared had been arrested and charged today.

13 news tried contacting the Logan County School District but has not heard anything back.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:39 PM   #151
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It is the result of human emotions and without humans it would not exist. guns or no guns.
Are you really saying that only humans can be violent? Please retract your statement for your own dignity.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:43 PM   #152
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For the record, I don't agree that a picture of a gun constitutes a "display of violence".
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:51 PM   #153
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Not entirely. Violence is neither bad or good. Those are points of view. Guns are inanimate objects that can be used for more than just destruction or killing. In the vein of what we're talking about, killing other human beings could be good or bad depending upon your point of view. But again violence is the result of human emotions, meaning without humans.. violence doesn't exist. Ergo, humans are violent and not inanimate objects.....for now.
In the vein of what we're talking about, killing other human beings, whether good or bad, is violent. Also, killing deer, alligators, aardvarks, and aliens. All violent actions. If an alien used a gun to kill a deer, I'd say violent. If a deer used a gun to kill an aardvark, I'd say violence has occurred. The common theme here is the death or destruction that results by use of the gun. That's the purpose of a gun: to do violence for some other purpose. It's inherently violent.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:58 PM   #154
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In the vein of what we're talking about, killing other human beings, whether good or bad, is violent. Also, killing deer, alligators, aardvarks, and aliens. All violent actions. If an alien used a gun to kill a deer, I'd say violent. If a deer used a gun to kill an aardvark, I'd say violence has occurred. The common theme here is the death or destruction that results by use of the gun. That's the purpose of a gun: to do violence for some other purpose. It's inherently violent.
No, the common theme is one sentient being acting upon another. Remove the sentient beings from your example and just allow the guns to remain, and poof there is no longer any violence present.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:59 PM   #155
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No, the common theme is one sentient being acting upon another. Remove the sentient beings from your example and just allow the guns to remain, and poof there is no longer any violence present.
Yes, and if you remove the guns from the example, and replace them with rocks or hammers....and the violence would remain.
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Old 04-23-2013, 04:00 PM   #156
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Yes, and if you remove the guns from the example, and replace them with rocks or hammers....and the violence would remain.
Good point.
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Old 04-23-2013, 04:09 PM   #157
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You can use language to sort this out with in the context of what we're talking about:

"I am feeling gun" - doesn't make sense
"I am feeling hammer" doesn't make sense
"I am feeling table" Doesn't make sense


"I am feeling violent" Makes sense
"I am feeling cruel" Makes sense
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Old 04-23-2013, 04:10 PM   #158
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Are you really saying that only humans can be violent? Please retract your statement for your own dignity.
No. It's true.
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Old 04-23-2013, 04:13 PM   #159
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In the vein of what we're talking about, killing other human beings, whether good or bad, is violent. Also, killing deer, alligators, aardvarks, and aliens. All violent actions. If an alien used a gun to kill a deer, I'd say violent. If a deer used a gun to kill an aardvark, I'd say violence has occurred. The common theme here is the death or destruction that results by use of the gun. That's the purpose of a gun: to do violence for some other purpose. It's inherently violent.
Maybe, but the good or bad nature of violence is a point of view. Is killing another human being a good or bad thing? Depends on you, how you feel, and the situation.

You can learn this from watching a Star Wars movie...good and bad are points of view. The theme is repeated over and over.
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Old 04-23-2013, 04:25 PM   #160
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You can use language to sort this out with in the context of what we're talking about:

"I am feeling hammer" doesn't make sense
Calling bullshit...

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Old 04-23-2013, 05:06 PM   #161
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I would be interested to see the rest of the information about this case. If the kid (regardless of what his father said) did get aggressive during the debate with his teacher, then yeah, suspend him. So far, we don't know.

That said, there's another issue here. We should imagine if his t-shirt had no letters, or no image, and that will tell us which is the real issue, the image of the hunting rifle, or the pro-NRA political statement. I can understand it more if it's the former, although if that's the case they should not suspend the kid but instead amend their school handbook. If it's the latter, they should either ban political statements of all kinds from school clothes, or allow them from both sides.

Superintendent Me would amend the handbook to outlaw the images of firearms or political statements from school clothes, and send a letter out to all kids and parents explaining that the only reason the kid is having his suspension lifted is because it wasn't spelled out in the handbook, and explain the limits and why they are there.

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Calling bullshit...

Ah..That would be "I'm feeling Hamma!"
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I would be interested to see the rest of the information about this case. If the kid (regardless of what his father said) did get aggressive during the debate with his teacher, then yeah, suspend him. So far, we don't know.

That said, there's another issue here. We should imagine if his t-shirt had no letters, or no image, and that will tell us which is the real issue, the image of the hunting rifle, or the pro-NRA political statement. I can understand it more if it's the former, although if that's the case they should not suspend the kid but instead amend their school handbook. If it's the latter, they should either ban political statements of all kinds from school clothes, or allow them from both sides.

Superintendent Me would amend the handbook to outlaw the images of firearms or political statements from school clothes, and send a letter out to all kids and parents explaining that the only reason the kid is having his suspension lifted is because it wasn't spelled out in the handbook, and explain the limits and why they are there.

Problem solved. Now back to Ethan Frome.
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I would be interested to see the rest of the information about this case. If the kid (regardless of what his father said) did get aggressive during the debate with his teacher, then yeah, suspend him. So far, we don't know.

That said, there's another issue here. We should imagine if his t-shirt had no letters, or no image, and that will tell us which is the real issue, the image of the hunting rifle, or the pro-NRA political statement. I can understand it more if it's the former, although if that's the case they should not suspend the kid but instead amend their school handbook. If it's the latter, they should either ban political statements of all kinds from school clothes, or allow them from both sides.

Superintendent Me would amend the handbook to outlaw the images of firearms or political statements from school clothes, and send a letter out to all kids and parents explaining that the only reason the kid is having his suspension lifted is because it wasn't spelled out in the handbook, and explain the limits and why they are there.

Problem solved. Now back to Ethan Frome.
You would recommend the changes to the handbook. The school board approves or disapproves. Not your call as superintendent
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Maybe, but the good or bad nature of violence is a point of view. Is killing another human being a good or bad thing? Depends on you, how you feel, and the situation.

You can learn this from watching a Star Wars movie...good and bad are points of view. The theme is repeated over and over.
It doesn't matter whether it's good or bad. What matters is it's violent. Using a gun is an act of violence. Whether it be for a good or bad purpose is completely irrelevant.

Similarly, a tornado is a "violent storm." It doesn't matter whether it's good or bad. All that matters is that it is destructive and causes death.

The person who invented a gun thought to himself, "I need something that is better than this dagger/stick. I need something that is going to quickly kill my enemies and my prey. I need something that can be really destructive."

A gun is inherently violent. This is not saying that humans don't do violence using a gun (or another type of instrument).

You're not going to convince me that a gun is not inherently violent. And I might not convince you that it is. That's fine.
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