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Old 04-23-2013, 01:42 PM  
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8th grade student suspended, arrested over gun t-shirt



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When 8th grade Jared Marcum got dressed for school on Thursday he says he had no idea that his pro-Second Amendment shirt would initiate what he calls a fight over his First Amendment rights.

"I never thought it would go this far because honestly I don't see a problem with this, there shouldn't be a problem with this," Jared said.

It was the image of a gun printed on Jared's t-shirt that sparked a dispute between a Logan Middle School teacher and Jared, that ended with Jared suspended, arrested and facing two charges, obstruction and disturbing the education process, on his otherwise spotless record.

Jared's father Allen Lardieri says he's angry he had to rush from work to pick his son up from jail over something he says was blown way out of proportion.

"I don't' see how anybody would have an issue with a hunting rifle and NRA put on a t-shirt, especially when policy doesn't forbid it," Lardieri said.

(READ MORE: Questions remain unanswered for 8th grade student arrested over shirt)

The Logan County School District's dress code policy prohibits clothing that displays profanity, violence, discriminatory messages and more but nowhere in the document does it say anything about gun images.

"He did not violate any school policy," Lardieri reiterates. "He did not become aggressive."

Now, Lardieri says he's ready to fight until the situation is made right.

"I will go to the ends of the earth, I will call people, I will write letters, I will do everything in the legal realm to make sure this does not happen again," Lardieri said.

Logan City Police did confirm that Jared had been arrested and charged today.

13 news tried contacting the Logan County School District but has not heard anything back.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:25 PM   #166
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No. It's true.
Feel free to walk into a tiger's cage at the zoo, then.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:33 PM   #167
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Feel free to walk into a tiger's cage at the zoo, then.
What you would call violence, I would call survival instincts on the part of the tiger. The tiger isn't intelligent. Any emotion you feel on the Tiger's actions are a construct of your own mind. Its your feelings.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:36 PM   #168
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What you would call violence, I would call survival instincts on the part of the tiger. The tiger isn't intelligent. Any emotion you feel on the Tiger's actions are a construct of your own mind. Its your feelings.
This is a false dichotomy. Survival instincts on the part of the tiger can be violent. They are not mutually exclusive. A tiger ripping apart the flesh of a human being, teeth gorging limbs, blood and guts thrashing around, and the screams of a person being split open is a violent death.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:44 PM   #169
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This is a false dichotomy. Survival instincts on the part of the tiger can be violent. They are not mutually exclusive. A tiger ripping apart the flesh of a human being, teeth gorging limbs, blood and guts thrashing around, and the screams of a person being split open is a violent death.
For the person. Perfectly natural for the tiger
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:45 PM   #170
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It doesn't matter whether it's good or bad. What matters is it's violent. Using a gun is an act of violence. Whether it be for a good or bad purpose is completely irrelevant.

Similarly, a tornado is a "violent storm." It doesn't matter whether it's good or bad. All that matters is that it is destructive and causes death.

The person who invented a gun thought to himself, "I need something that is better than this dagger/stick. I need something that is going to quickly kill my enemies and my prey. I need something that can be really destructive."

A gun is inherently violent. This is not saying that humans don't do violence using a gun (or another type of instrument).

You're not going to convince me that a gun is not inherently violent. And I might not convince you that it is. That's fine.
It cannot be irrelevent. It invalidates your position. Because if the violence is constrewed as good, then what's the problem? That violence occurred?
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:46 PM   #171
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For the person. Perfectly natural for the tiger
Violence doesn't have to be unnatural.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:46 PM   #172
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For the person. Perfectly natural for the tiger
Exactly.
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It cannot be irrelevent. It invalidates your position. Because if the violence is constrewed as good, then what's the problem? That violence occurred?
Violence is amoral.
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Violence is amoral.
That's a point of view. You're talking about good and evil and inbetween. You are still on the scale from good to evil.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:50 PM   #175
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For the person. Perfectly natural for the tiger
Well, I'm not at all concerned of whether a tiger thinks a gun is "inherently violent."
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It cannot be irrelevent. It invalidates your position. Because if the violence is constrewed as good, then what's the problem? That violence occurred?
You're completely missing the point. All that I'm saying is that a gun is inherently violent because its purpose and use is to do violence. Yes, that violence can sometimes be good, and sometimes bad, and sometimes meaningless. That's not what matters. All that matters is that it does violence -- that's what makes it inherently violent.

So, gun (the general) is inherently violent. It doesn't mean that it will always be in use for a violent purpose or that it couldn't be used for a good violence (self-defense or eating).

But this explains why it is reasonable for people to see their classmate with a picture of a gun and have it disturb their learning environment to the point where it is reasonable for administration to say, "It's not appropriate. Please change."

I wanted to tie in my essential point for why it matters.
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Perhaps the definition of violence would be helpful...

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Behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.
Strength of emotion or an unpleasant or destructive natural force.
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Perhaps the definition of violence would be helpful...
Someone is about to argue that guns aren't designed to hurt, damage, or kill...just watch.
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The person who invented a gun thought to himself, "I need something that is better than this dagger/stick. I need something that is going to quickly kill my enemies and my prey. I need something that can be really destructive."
The first ones were cannons, and so had nothing to do with hunting. However, yes, their primary purpose was, and still is, to kill. They are weapons in the purest sense of the word; there's no doubt about that.
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