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Old 04-23-2013, 01:42 PM  
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8th grade student suspended, arrested over gun t-shirt



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When 8th grade Jared Marcum got dressed for school on Thursday he says he had no idea that his pro-Second Amendment shirt would initiate what he calls a fight over his First Amendment rights.

"I never thought it would go this far because honestly I don't see a problem with this, there shouldn't be a problem with this," Jared said.

It was the image of a gun printed on Jared's t-shirt that sparked a dispute between a Logan Middle School teacher and Jared, that ended with Jared suspended, arrested and facing two charges, obstruction and disturbing the education process, on his otherwise spotless record.

Jared's father Allen Lardieri says he's angry he had to rush from work to pick his son up from jail over something he says was blown way out of proportion.

"I don't' see how anybody would have an issue with a hunting rifle and NRA put on a t-shirt, especially when policy doesn't forbid it," Lardieri said.

(READ MORE: Questions remain unanswered for 8th grade student arrested over shirt)

The Logan County School District's dress code policy prohibits clothing that displays profanity, violence, discriminatory messages and more but nowhere in the document does it say anything about gun images.

"He did not violate any school policy," Lardieri reiterates. "He did not become aggressive."

Now, Lardieri says he's ready to fight until the situation is made right.

"I will go to the ends of the earth, I will call people, I will write letters, I will do everything in the legal realm to make sure this does not happen again," Lardieri said.

Logan City Police did confirm that Jared had been arrested and charged today.

13 news tried contacting the Logan County School District but has not heard anything back.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:02 PM   #106
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True, and I wouldn't have a problem with a teacher telling a student not to wear that shirt in a classroom setting.
I had to let them wear T-shirts like that when I was teaching several years back.

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And sorry, I don't think asking if I "hate the Constitution" warrants a response.
Yeah, I know. Truth hurts. It was rhetorical though.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:02 PM   #107
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A storm can be violent...it does not acting with intent to be violent. Natural events can be violate, there are animate acts of nature.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:04 PM   #108
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If the picture of the gun is the problem...would he have been suspended if the same gun was on his shirt, but it said..."Ban Assault Weapons" instead of "Protect Your Rights"?

There is nothing on his shirt that is offensive. There is nothing on his shirt that promotes terrorism, violence, mass shootings, etc. Expressing support for an Amendment in the Constitution of the United States is not against any rules of the school

The school was wrong, plain and simple.
This was in West Virginia. If anybody wore a "Ban Assault Weapons" shirt at that school it probably would have made a lot more of the fellow students mad than this kid's shirt.

In most 1st Amendment contexts there is not supposed to be a "heckler's veto," that is, you are not supposed to limit the free speech of one viewpoint because of fear of how opponents of the viewpoint would react. Maybe in public school, they effectively allow the "heckler's veto" by labelling some shirts disruptive and asking the students to turn the shirts inside out.

In that school, the hypothetical kid with the Ban Assault Weapons t-shirt might have been asked or told to change the shirt sooner in the day.

From looking at the abcnews website and video. Seems like this kid was expressing the majority viewpoint of his community and ran into a teacher who may or may not have held a different viewpoint and asked the kid to change shirts or turn it inside out.

Should not have escalated, but this is not a situation where the minority viewpoint of a community is getting suppressed. This is a case were a kid expressing the majority viewpoint of his community decided that he did not want to follow the directions of a teacher who may or may not have held the minority viewpoint.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:04 PM   #109
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The kid wore a shirt he knew would cause trouble of some sort. A teacher got all worked up and did not maintain an adult to child relationship. Much ado about nothing.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:04 PM   #110
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:04 PM   #111
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Hammers and cars are not inherently violent. Guns are: their sole purpose is to cause harm or threaten to cause harm, whether that be in protecting yourself, fighting for your country, or gathering up your dinner.

Guns are dangerous in the right hands as well as the wrong hands. It's why only law-abiding citizens who have proper mental capacity should own them. If guns weren't violent, they'd be pretty much useless.
Are you sure about that...given that more people die in a year via the hammer, than die by the gun on that kids shirt.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:04 PM   #112
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Nudity alone is equitable to sexuality. Are you just trying to be obtuse?
So nudity is equitable (sic) to sexuality, but a gun isn't equitable (sic) to violence?

I've been naked without having sex. I've never fired a gun that wasn't violent.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:05 PM   #113
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We live in a particular era where school shootings are something that students, teachers, administration, and parents take very serious caution with, as more than an abstract threat, but something that should be prepared for.
it's a damn shirt

there's no threat
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:05 PM   #114
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Hammers and cars are not inherently violent. Guns are: their sole purpose is to cause harm or threaten to cause harm, whether that be in protecting yourself, fighting for your country, or gathering up your dinner.

Guns are dangerous in the right hands as well as the wrong hands. It's why only law-abiding citizens who have proper mental capacity should own them. If guns weren't violent, they'd be pretty much useless.
World class Olympic shooters would tend to disagree. The ISSF adamantly disagrees. Even I own several firearms that have never harmed a single living organism. It's as wrong as saying all pit bulls are killers.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:08 PM   #115
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Are you sure about that...given that more people die in a year via the hammer, than die by the gun on that kids shirt.
Yes, I'm sure about it. I don't consider dementia violent, but I'm sure a lot of people die from that each year. I do consider meteor crashes violent though, even though no one died from one last year.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:09 PM   #116
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It’s the Beatles hair cut isn’t it?
Don’t laugh, I went to Basic with a guy that arrived wearing a mullet that covered his eyes and went half way down his back. The barbers laughed up a storm cutting his hair.
He not only made it through Basic but went to the same AIT as I did, ended up stationed not far from me in Germany and was part of one of the firing batteries my company supported during Desert Shield/Storm.
It might be the "**** you" to authority attitude. lol All he had to do was turn his shirt inside out and have his father schedule a meeting with the principal. The kid wouldn't even turn the shirt inside out when asked by the police so they arrested him.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:09 PM   #117
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it's a damn shirt

there's no threat
"Threat" isn't the standard. "Disturbance in the classroom" is.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:09 PM   #118
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Yeah Im sure your son just fell asleep on his desk and woke up in cuffs. Just change your shirt, dipshit.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:10 PM   #119
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World class Olympic shooters would tend to disagree. The ISSF adamantly disagrees. Even I own several firearms that have never harmed a single living organism. It's as wrong as saying all pit bulls are killers.
All dogs are inherently killers, which is why they will chase squirrels around the yard. Just because we've adopted their use (for our practical purposes) doesn't change their inherent nature.

You might use your particular guns for a sexual fetish or whatever, but the inherent nature of "guns" is a violent one.
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