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Old 04-23-2013, 01:42 PM  
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8th grade student suspended, arrested over gun t-shirt



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When 8th grade Jared Marcum got dressed for school on Thursday he says he had no idea that his pro-Second Amendment shirt would initiate what he calls a fight over his First Amendment rights.

"I never thought it would go this far because honestly I don't see a problem with this, there shouldn't be a problem with this," Jared said.

It was the image of a gun printed on Jared's t-shirt that sparked a dispute between a Logan Middle School teacher and Jared, that ended with Jared suspended, arrested and facing two charges, obstruction and disturbing the education process, on his otherwise spotless record.

Jared's father Allen Lardieri says he's angry he had to rush from work to pick his son up from jail over something he says was blown way out of proportion.

"I don't' see how anybody would have an issue with a hunting rifle and NRA put on a t-shirt, especially when policy doesn't forbid it," Lardieri said.

(READ MORE: Questions remain unanswered for 8th grade student arrested over shirt)

The Logan County School District's dress code policy prohibits clothing that displays profanity, violence, discriminatory messages and more but nowhere in the document does it say anything about gun images.

"He did not violate any school policy," Lardieri reiterates. "He did not become aggressive."

Now, Lardieri says he's ready to fight until the situation is made right.

"I will go to the ends of the earth, I will call people, I will write letters, I will do everything in the legal realm to make sure this does not happen again," Lardieri said.

Logan City Police did confirm that Jared had been arrested and charged today.

13 news tried contacting the Logan County School District but has not heard anything back.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:13 PM   #121
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Yes, I'm sure about it. I don't consider dementia violent, but I'm sure a lot of people die from that each year. I do consider meteor crashes violent though, even though no one died from one last year.
One could say that a hammer is more inherently violent than a gun, no? After all, the hammer committed more violent acts.

Again, inanimate objects are just that, inanimate. A rock is just a rock, it only becomes a violent weapon when someone throws it at someone else's head.

Name one gun that killed someone without a person pulling a trigger. Guns do wander around the streets by themselves committing random acts of violence.

There is no proof that you can offer that shows that any inanimate object is "inherently violent"...or "inherently kind", or inherently anything. Objects are just objects. It is people, not objects, that need to be held accountable for violent acts.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:14 PM   #122
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How about Charles Manson shirts? Anwar al-Awlaki shirts? All good?
Hmmm, violent people but were they as violent as a band saw? For lack of a clear standard thatís the one Iím going with.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:14 PM   #123
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So nudity is equitable (sic) to sexuality, but a gun isn't equitable (sic) to violence?

I've been naked without having sex. I've never fired a gun that wasn't violent.
There are laws against walking down the street naked. But I can walk down my street with a gun at my hip and not break any laws. Why? Because everyone doesn't equate guns with inherent violence.

I find it hard to believe you've ever fired a gun, if you're that ignorant of its inherent properties.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:14 PM   #124
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:15 PM   #125
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:16 PM   #126
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One could say that a hammer is more inherently violent than a gun, no? After all, the hammer committed more violent acts.

Again, inanimate objects are just that, inanimate. A rock is just a rock, it only becomes a violent weapon when someone throws it at someone else's head.

Name one gun that killed someone without a person pulling a trigger. Guns do wander around the streets by themselves committing random acts of violence.

There is no proof that you can offer that shows that any inanimate object is "inherently violent"...or "inherently kind", or inherently anything. Objects are just objects. It is people, not objects, that need to be held accountable for violent acts.
A hammer can be used for violence, but it is not intended, designed, and created for the purpose of violence.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:18 PM   #127
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There are laws against walking down the street naked. But I can walk down my street with a gun at my hip and not break any laws. Why? Because everyone doesn't equate guns with inherent violence.

I find it hard to believe you've ever fired a gun, if you're that ignorant of its inherent properties.
I can have a statue of David replica in my yard, and it's perfectly legal.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:19 PM   #128
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One could say that a hammer is more inherently violent than a gun, no?
One could say that, but they'd be wrong. One could say that hammers are violent too, but it stretches the meaning of 'violent.' I suppose the consequence of a nail being pounded upon through a piece of wood could be considered violent, but most people would not think so. A hammer is a useful tool to build things. That's its purpose and overwhelming use.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:20 PM   #129
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I had to let them wear T-shirts like that when I was teaching several years back.
[shudders at the thought]
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:22 PM   #130
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:22 PM   #131
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A hammer can be used for violence, but it is not intended, designed, and created for the purpose of violence.
Yeah, but that's rather irrelevant. A mosquito wasn't designed for the purpose of killing humans. But mosquitos have killed more humans than any other source. More than all wars combined.

Are you saying the intent(which is still debatable) is more important than the actual resulting outcome? Because that's stupid..
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:24 PM   #132
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When you're arguing that the statue of David is sexual but guns aren't violent, you've lost the argument.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:25 PM   #133
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Controversial shirts are banned from schools all the time. Kids aren't allowed to wear shirts that promote drug and alcohol use.
This isn't that though. The kid is expressing something about what would be discussed in any Civics or Government class. It's a little strange to have the kid arrested.
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When you're arguing that the statue of David is sexual but guns aren't violent, you've lost the argument.
Guns aren't violent. Violence is a human emotion, or rather the result of human emotions. Human beings are violent.
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One could say that a hammer is more inherently violent than a gun, no? After all, the hammer committed more violent acts.
JFC, not this again. There is no year in which hammers killed more people than guns, unless you count the time before the invention of guns.
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