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Old 04-24-2013, 08:43 AM  
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Professor told students to stomp on paper with Jesus's name on it

A Florida Atlantic University student said he was suspended from class after he refused a professor’s directive to stomp on a piece of paper with the word “Jesus” written on it.

“I’m not going to be sitting in a class having my religious rights desecrated,” student Ryan Rotela told television station WPEC. “I truly see this as I’m being punished.”

Rotela, who is a devout Mormon, said the instructor in his Intercultural Communications class told the students to write the name “Jesus” on a sheet of paper. Then, they were told to put the paper on the floor.

“He had us all stand up and he said ‘Stomp on it,’” Rotela said. “I picked up the paper from the floor and put it right back on the table.

The young college student told the instructor, Deandre Poole, that the assignment was insulting and offensive.

“I said to the professor, ‘With all due respect to your authority as a professor, I do not believe what you told us to do was appropriate,’” Rotela said. ‘I believe it was unprofessional and I was deeply offended by what you told me to do...’”


Link:http://townhall.com/columnists/todds...475/page/full/

I wonder what the media reaction will be, if the word is not "Jesus" but "Mohammed".
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Old 04-25-2013, 01:31 PM   #91
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So it is necessary to be disrespectful of someone’s beliefs to invoke discussion? The professor instructed the student, it says nothing of him asking if the student would be ok with writing the name Jesus on a piece of paper, placing it on the floor and stepping on it.

I don't care what anyone other than me believes in, you can worship at the altar of the flying spaghetti monster, I don't care. For an instructor, boss, professor, teacher to not ask but instruct a student or anyone in a subordinate position to stray from their values and beliefs is wrong and completely unnecessary.
College is supposed to be for higher level thinking, so yes it is appropriate for that setting. Blind faith is for Bible study groups.

I get that you don't care about other people's beliefs, but I have a feeling you also do not respect other's peoples beliefs that aren't the same as yours. A class that teaches multicultural communication is something that might be tough for you to understand in that case. Same goes with the student in the article.
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Old 04-25-2013, 02:19 PM   #92
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Yes agreed it was a word that happens to be the name of someone that is loved by many.

And you don't get it either. This actually tells me a great deal about you as a person.
That he doesn't get the reason for idolizing a name rather than embracing the spirit?
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Old 04-25-2013, 02:24 PM   #93
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So it is necessary to be disrespectful of someone’s beliefs to invoke discussion? The professor instructed the student, it says nothing of him asking if the student would be ok with writing the name Jesus on a piece of paper, placing it on the floor and stepping on it.

I don't care what anyone other than me believes in, you can worship at the altar of the flying spaghetti monster, I don't care. For an instructor, boss, professor, teacher to not ask but instruct a student or anyone in a subordinate position to stray from their values and beliefs is wrong and completely unnecessary.
For crying out loud. It is an intercultural communications class. Do you think if you went to another country with very different cultural and religious beliefs that they are going to necessarily be respectful of your beliefs and culture, especially when you are coming to them to do business.?


It's preparing kids for real life, and sometimes real life isn't nice. Quit ****ing crying about it.
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Old 04-25-2013, 02:29 PM   #94
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Yes agreed it was a word that happens to be the name of someone that is loved by many.

And you don't get it either. This actually tells me a great deal about you as a person.
JESUS, JESUS, JESUS.


Now, you aren't allowed to close this thread or window because you'd be closing and x'ing out Jesus and that would be disrespectful.
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Old 04-25-2013, 02:37 PM   #95
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JESUS, JESUS, JESUS.


Now, you aren't allowed to close this thread or window because you'd be closing and x'ing out Jesus and that would be disrespectful.
Ha, I like it.
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The best part of this entire story is the professor having them do it is a Christian as well. He wasn't making them do it, them not doing it was part of the exercise.
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Old 04-25-2013, 03:18 PM   #97
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College is supposed to be for higher level thinking, so yes it is appropriate for that setting. Blind faith is for Bible study groups.

I get that you don't care about other people's beliefs, but I have a feeling you also do not respect other's peoples beliefs that aren't the same as yours. A class that teaches multicultural communication is something that might be tough for you to understand in that case. Same goes with the student in the article.


It is not difficult to see that you lack the intelligence to comprehend my response however it is difficult to accept the fact that people such as yourself lack the moral convictions and principals that make can a society great. My experiences as a parent of a college student (engineering major in his senior year) leaves me with the impression that the reason you don't poses sound principals, values and civility is a direct result of poor or inept parenting. Unlike your parents I chose not to deprive my son the understanding of the golden rule and to be respectful of others and their beliefs. He has been raised to think for himself and be humble in nature, but at the same time to stay true and loyal to his core beliefs always affording others the same.

I'm certainly not saying that "higher level thinking" or a college education strips people of these notions but your dumbass is trying to tell me it’s a substitute for them or that you’re above it.

All that boils down to the fact that in the real world outside your ivory towers of "higher level thinking" you are an absolute joke.
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Old 04-25-2013, 03:23 PM   #98
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For crying out loud. It is an intercultural communications class. Do you think if you went to another country with very different cultural and religious beliefs that they are going to necessarily be respectful of your beliefs and culture, especially when you are coming to them to do business.?


It's preparing kids for real life, and sometimes real life isn't nice. Quit ****ing crying about it.
I do business in the real world and telling a student to write Jesus on a piece of paper and step on it serves no purpose in preparing someone for life injustices you dumb ****.
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Old 04-25-2013, 03:35 PM   #99
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It is not difficult to see that you lack the intelligence to comprehend my response however it is difficult to accept the fact that people such as yourself lack the moral convictions and principals that make can a society great. My experiences as a parent of a college student (engineering major in his senior year) leaves me with the impression that the reason you don't poses sound principals, values and civility is a direct result of poor or inept parenting. Unlike your parents I chose not to deprive my son the understanding of the golden rule and to be respectful of others and their beliefs. He has been raised to think for himself and be humble in nature, but at the same time to stay true and loyal to his core beliefs always affording others the same.

I'm certainly not saying that "higher level thinking" or a college education strips people of these notions but your dumbass is trying to tell me it’s a substitute for them or that you’re above it.

All that boils down to the fact that in the real world outside your ivory towers of "higher level thinking" you are an absolute joke.
Pretty much what I expected from you at this point. You can't handle the debate so you resort to name calling and attacking the way I was parented. If that is how you practice the golden rule, then so be it. You are being more disrespectful to your God than I or that professor ever was.

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Pretty much what I expected from you at this point. You can't handle the debate so you resort to name calling and attacking the way I was parented. If that is how you practice the golden rule, then so be it. You are being more disrespectful to your God than I or that professor ever was.
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It is not difficult to see that you lack the intelligence to comprehend my response however it is difficult to accept the fact that people such as yourself lack the moral convictions and principals that make can a society great. My experiences as a parent of a college student (engineering major in his senior year) leaves me with the impression that the reason you don't poses sound principals, values and civility is a direct result of poor or inept parenting. Unlike your parents I chose not to deprive my son the understanding of the golden rule and to be respectful of others and their beliefs. He has been raised to think for himself and be humble in nature, but at the same time to stay true and loyal to his core beliefs always affording others the same.

I'm certainly not saying that "higher level thinking" or a college education strips people of these notions but your dumbass is trying to tell me it’s a substitute for them or that you’re above it.

All that boils down to the fact that in the real world outside your ivory towers of "higher level thinking" you are an absolute joke.
You should probably take the time right now to teach your son not to worship idols. It may not be too late for you to make up for that mistake on your part.
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For crying out loud. It is an intercultural communications class. Do you think if you went to another country with very different cultural and religious beliefs that they are going to necessarily be respectful of your beliefs and culture, especially when you are coming to them to do business.?


It's preparing kids for real life, and sometimes real life isn't nice. Quit ****ing crying about it.
Problem is, the class is not really intercultural when you are only stomping on Jessus, no? If it was truly intercultural, shouldn't the class be stomping on Mohammad and Buddha as well?
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Problem is, the class is not really intercultural when you are only stomping on Jessus, no? If it was truly intercultural, shouldn't the class be stomping on Mohammad and Buddha as well?
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Problem is, the class is not really intercultural when you are only stomping on Jessus, no? If it was truly intercultural, shouldn't the class be stomping on Mohammad and Buddha as well?
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This is the last sentence in the lesson plan. Mohammad and Buddha do not have the same importance in this culture that Jesus does. In order to draw a parallel to other cultures that do value those symbols, the professor is drawing on feelings regarding one they do value.
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Problem is, the class is not really intercultural when you are only stomping on Jessus, no? If it was truly intercultural, shouldn't the class be stomping on Mohammad and Buddha as well?
Which would be a valid point that I can only answer with the possible makeup of the class.
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I do business in the real world and telling a student to write Jesus on a piece of paper and step on it serves no purpose in preparing someone for life injustices you dumb ****.
Maybe not to you. You appear to be so upset by it that perhaps you never learned sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. It's a piece of paper with a word on it. You act with the same sense of indignation that extremist Muslims do when someone draws a cartoon that paints Muhammed in a negative light.
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