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Old 05-01-2013, 08:02 PM  
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Why Geno Smith fell in the draft

I've seen a couple other posts about this... but this probably deserves it's own thread considering how many hours we've wasted arguing about the guy. This is the first article I've seen theorizing why Geno fell in the draft. Time will tell whether it's accurate.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--ge...183846651.html

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On April 23, Smith, his agents, some family members and several friends gathered for dinner in New York in advance of the draft, a gathering confirmed by a family member. At one point, everyone around the table stood to give a toast to celebrate the evening.

Smith went last, thanking everyone and declaring that entire group his agents included were a "family" that would stay together his entire career, if not the rest of his life, the sources said. Smith, who at one point was expecting to be the No. 1 overall pick and at least a top 10 selection, has big plans for his career. Smith, according to the sources, hopes to emulate players such as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, putting himself cut above the rest of the quarterback fray.

The problem is that NFL types see a guy who, right now, doesn't understand how to get there.

"His biggest problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know," said a league executive, who spent extensive time assessing Smith before the draft.

"I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches he's talented. He can sling it, he can fit it into tight spots, he can do a lot of things and I think he wants to be good. But you can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down."

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One possible factor in Smith dropping to the second round is a concern about leadership.

"He doesn't have much presence, not much of a leader," said another league executive, who spent a great deal of time studying Smith before the draft. "I don't think he's a bad person, but that's not enough to be a quarterback in this league."

Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.

"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself," one of the sources said. "That's not what you want out of your quarterback."

Both sources indicated that Florida State's E.J. Manuel, who was selected ahead of Smith at No. 16 overall by Buffalo, was far more impressive in terms of his personality and maturity.

"Manuel gets it, he gets the whole big picture of what it takes to lead a team," one of the league executives said.

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By Sunday, Smith was being convinced by other friends that it was the fault of his agents that he slipped so much in the draft, according to one of the sources.

"Right now, he's blaming everybody but himself and he has some buddies around him who are telling him that same thing," the source said.
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:27 PM   #151
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I think the point here is that QB is a position where you want the guy to eat, breathe, sleep, and shit football. That's the way Manning and Brady are.

So Geno gets the opportunity to interact with the best football minds he's ever been around. Nope, not interested. Need to text my friends back home.

Any way you spin it, if that is a true account, it's a clear negative. And isn't the same as wearing a tee shirt, or having a tattoo, or listening to rap.

Does this mean he is going to be a bust? No, but he'll probably need to eat some humble pie and change his attitude to be successful. That's probably a bigger change that fixing your footwork.
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:28 PM   #152
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well, kind of, because you werent talking to me.

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Old 05-01-2013, 10:35 PM   #153
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It's somewhat funny that we've decided there are no franchise QB's in this draft, 2 weeks after teh draft.
Who decided today?

There''s a spectrum, some convinced long ago, some suspecting for a while, some still unconvinced and a thousand gradiations in between. No matter how certain anyone FEELS know one knows at this point as the evidence is yet to come.
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:37 PM   #154
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Geno has every single sign of being a massive bust? What?

I mean if we're talking just two things:

1. Character.
2. Passing ability.

Cam Newton was a far bigger risk.

Wake up morons.
The article is more about coachability than character IMO. If he's not as good as he thinks he is and won't listen to the guys who are supposed to get him there, that's a pretty bad sign.
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:39 PM   #155
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There is NO QUESTION that if these reports are true they are a significant red flag.

The guy has a lot of work to do and if he is unable to put in quality work at areas of need, he is unlikely to ever be worth a high draft pick...but to act as if these reports are absolute fact and that they prove that Geno will be a bust is being disingenuous and that's where this discussion turned into an argument.

It's possible that his unwillingness to focus on crucial points is a reason he faltered against good defenses last year.

It's also possible this is all BS info distributed by the agent he just fired...which is more likely givent the timing of the report in relation to the firing.
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:41 PM   #156
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I'm including myself in the guilty because I thought that an FCS QB who couldn't beat out Tyler Palko would be a shit QB, but these are the posts from the 2008 draft thread as Flacco was drafted.

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I just know the first round went so well that we MUST be taking Chad ****ing Henne at 35.

Front office saying the deal Schefter reported is bullshit, that NO did not offer 2 1sts and a 2nd.
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Hilarious, they take the wrong QB.
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So who is the second round pick?

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wow, I can't believe they traded up for Flacco. He went WAY higher than anybody would have bet on
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Flacco?
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Oh, yeah that was so terrible I forgot. Well, they if they grew a brain in the last round, they should STILL take one of them.
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Actually, they were the 3rd and 4th. Don't forget Flacco.
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Why not? Everyone else will in 2 years.
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The ravens > BossChief

Does that need written in crayon?
That's a useless response. Every GM ever > BossChief, after all.

You griped about 6 drafts. The only draft in that group where a QB taken after the Chiefs picked went on to win a SB (to date) is that Flacco draft. So, unless you were pounding the table for Flacco, you don't really have any point.
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:43 PM   #158
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The article is more about coachability than character IMO. If he's not as good as he thinks he is and won't listen to the guys who are supposed to get him there, that's a pretty bad sign.
I listen to Colin Cowherd almost daily and he knows people that have coached Cam in Carolina and claim they have to use a limited playbook with Cam because of his attitude and willingness to put in the work and that a lot of his teammates don't like him because of it.

He also says that was a problem in college.
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IF and big IF the article is correct then I understand the reluctance to draft him.
Nope. Chief Fan knew more than any GM or NFL front office.
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:45 PM   #161
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I think Geno Smith not participating at the senior bowl was a major mistake. He thought he was the best QB prospect at that point and only focused on the combine. Because there wasn't a clear cut QB prospect above the pack he should have gone to the senior bowl to separate himself and show that he is coachable.
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:51 PM   #163
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Doesn't stop me from hating Alex Smith or any other retread quarterback we would have gotten. Same for the next retread quarterback I'm going to hate him too. Unless or if we ever win a Super Bowl with such retread quarterbacks I'm going to hate them. Until we find one that is fun to watch and can be around for years to come and can expect the best out of them each week then I'm just not going be happy with what we got.
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:55 PM   #165
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If E.J. Manuel turns out to be a good to great quarterback for Buffalo then I'm going be upset that we passed on him. Take the best quarterback prospect in the draft when you get the opportunity.
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