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Old 05-01-2013, 08:02 PM  
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Why Geno Smith fell in the draft

I've seen a couple other posts about this... but this probably deserves it's own thread considering how many hours we've wasted arguing about the guy. This is the first article I've seen theorizing why Geno fell in the draft. Time will tell whether it's accurate.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--ge...183846651.html

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On April 23, Smith, his agents, some family members and several friends gathered for dinner in New York in advance of the draft, a gathering confirmed by a family member. At one point, everyone around the table stood to give a toast to celebrate the evening.

Smith went last, thanking everyone and declaring that entire group his agents included were a "family" that would stay together his entire career, if not the rest of his life, the sources said. Smith, who at one point was expecting to be the No. 1 overall pick and at least a top 10 selection, has big plans for his career. Smith, according to the sources, hopes to emulate players such as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, putting himself cut above the rest of the quarterback fray.

The problem is that NFL types see a guy who, right now, doesn't understand how to get there.

"His biggest problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know," said a league executive, who spent extensive time assessing Smith before the draft.

"I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches he's talented. He can sling it, he can fit it into tight spots, he can do a lot of things and I think he wants to be good. But you can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down."

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One possible factor in Smith dropping to the second round is a concern about leadership.

"He doesn't have much presence, not much of a leader," said another league executive, who spent a great deal of time studying Smith before the draft. "I don't think he's a bad person, but that's not enough to be a quarterback in this league."

Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.

"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself," one of the sources said. "That's not what you want out of your quarterback."

Both sources indicated that Florida State's E.J. Manuel, who was selected ahead of Smith at No. 16 overall by Buffalo, was far more impressive in terms of his personality and maturity.

"Manuel gets it, he gets the whole big picture of what it takes to lead a team," one of the league executives said.

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By Sunday, Smith was being convinced by other friends that it was the fault of his agents that he slipped so much in the draft, according to one of the sources.

"Right now, he's blaming everybody but himself and he has some buddies around him who are telling him that same thing," the source said.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:09 PM   #166
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That's a useless response. Every GM ever > BossChief, after all.

You griped about 6 drafts. The only draft in that group where a QB taken after the Chiefs picked went on to win a SB (to date) is that Flacco draft. So, unless you were pounding the table for Flacco, you don't really have any point.
Haha

In a 10 year period, we managed to pass on 4 quarterbacks (that I can think of quickly, there are probably more) that went on to lead their teams to the superbowl.

Colin Kaepernick
Joe Flacco
Aaron Rogers
Drew Brees

The ****ing point is that the term "reach" is irrelevant to quarterbacks because of the upside their position comes with if the pick works out.

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Once there, you see that there are only 2 choices of tickets to decide between.

Ticket 1 is $10 and carries 2:1 odds of winning 15 dollars
Ticket 2 is also $10 and carries 4:1 odds of winning 100 dollars.

Which ticket do you buy?
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:10 PM   #167
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If E.J. Manuel turns out to be a good to great quarterback for Buffalo then I'm going be upset that we passed on him. Take the best quarterback prospect in the draft when you get the opportunity.
He certainly will not be.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:15 PM   #168
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same here. he's gonna bust
He will be the next Ryan Leaf waiting to happen. Count on it

In NY ????
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:16 PM   #169
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He certainly will not be.
I just figure Geno Smith would be better but I haven't seen enough of E.J Manuel so I don't comment on him. I don't know how he is going to turn out. For being able to make plays Geno Smith can do all that in the pros from what I've seen him do in college. IMO he was the best prospect this year but I don't know enough about E.J Manuel.


If the reports are true Geno Smith was more interested in texting or being on the phone than engaging with the coaches then I can see that as a red flag.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:18 PM   #170
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I listen to Colin Cowherd almost daily and he knows people that have coached Cam in Carolina and claim they have to use a limited playbook with Cam because of his attitude and willingness to put in the work and that a lot of his teammates don't like him because of it.

He also says that was a problem in college.
you mean 'unwillingness' ?
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:18 PM   #171
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:23 PM   #172
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I just figure Geno Smith would be better but I haven't seen enough of E.J Manuel so I don't comment on him. I don't know how he is going to turn out. For being able to make plays Geno Smith can do all that in the pros from what I've seen him do in college. IMO he was the best prospect this year but I don't know enough about E.J Manuel.


If the reports are true Geno Smith was more interested in texting or being on the phone than engaging with the coaches then I can see that as a red flag.
College and the NFL is night and day difference as you well know and college you can get away with a lot of sh** that you will not be able to in the NFL. All you have to do is just observe Manual's responses on draft day compared to Geno and by maturity alone Manual will have a huuuuuuuge head start on Geno.

Geno is just a insecure narcissistic introvert that was allowed to not grow up because of his raw physical talent very much like Tyler Bray.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:23 PM   #173
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Kudos to the former Geno advocates who are willing to admit that the Chiefs might be better off having passed on the guy.

The die hards who can't come to grips with the situation and fantasize about the possibility that this is just a fabricated smear produced by Geno's enemies are laughable. Come in from the cold, guys.

Oh, and Nolan Nawrocki says hi.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:24 PM   #174
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Haha

In a 10 year period, we managed to pass on 4 quarterbacks (that I can think of quickly, there are probably more) that went on to lead their teams to the superbowl.

Colin Kaepernick
Joe Flacco
Aaron Rogers
Drew Brees

The ****ing point is that the term "reach" is irrelevant to quarterbacks because of the upside their position comes with if the pick works out.

Let's say you want to buy a lottery ticket, so you go to the gas station.

Once there, you see that there are only 2 choices of tickets to decide between.

Ticket 1 is $10 and carries 2:1 odds of winning 15 dollars
Ticket 2 is also $10 and carries 4:1 odds of winning 100 dollars.

Which ticket do you buy?
No, really, your only point is that you want to cry because you don't have a SB winning QB, and you're lashing out with really stupid arguments as a result. Players are called reaches for a reason, and most QBs who drop don't pan out, just as most QBs who don't drop don't lead teams to SBs. Your argument would apply to Brady and Warner, but also to the likes of Tyler Palko, for crying out loud, because they all should have been taken at the top of round one since they were QBs.

That should tell you that you don't really have a point. Somehow, I suspect it won't get through to you. So, I'll tell you what you should do. You should get a group of buyers together and purchase a team. Then, you should draft QB with every single pick you get in the draft. Keep doing that, because you just never know which QB will be the one.

As for Rodgers, here are the other Tedford round one QBs (making the likely mistake of assuming Wikipedia got something right instead of looking for a different source):

Trent Dilfer
David Carr
Akili Smith
Joey Harrington
Kyle Boller

Yeah, any team that worried about a Tedford QB with all that greatness to look back on must have been crazy.

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Old 05-01-2013, 11:24 PM   #175
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As much as you love Geno you have to admit there is something every team in the NFL didn't like. The Vikings passed on him 3 times! Ponder and Cassel! Plus, look at the organization that picked him. I have always seen the talent, but there are obviously red flags. He may overcome it, and he may not. To me the story doesn't seem far fetched in the least. Most kids have some growing up to do. Some do, and some don't. However, there are plenty of unknowns in this draft.
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If these reports are true, and Geno is a guy who already knows everything and you can't tell him anything, he will bust for sure! Granted he has the physical tools, but the mental tools are just as important, and that's rue in any career, athletics or otherwise. It's a basic ingredient for success, willingness to continue to learn and listen. If Geno is texting, and twittering and not participating like this report says, it's no wonder he didn't get the gig. You don't do that during a job interview. And being in NY won't help anything. He's going to bust, partly because the Jets are a mess, and mostly because of Genos entitled attitude (assuming reports are true of course).
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:45 PM   #177
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If Alex Smith is here to be a stop gap and only until we can find a QB that Dorsey and Reid can live with in the next couple of years draft then I can be fine with it. I just don't want to be stuck with Alex Smith next 4 years and he falls apart with no one in the bullpen to replace him long term with great upside.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:53 PM   #178
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The hard thing about both Geno and EJs situations is that they are in the same division as Bill Billichick.

If I'm Marrone or Ryan, I probably sit the kid their rookie years.

JPB just keeps making my points for me and tries to stick his chest out afterwards.

"look at all these other Tedford quadrerbacksz lolz"

THATS THE POINT, SMART GUY. All of the quarterbacks that have won the superbowls recently have all had serious warts when they were prospects and trying to predict future success of a quarterback from college to the pros is very difficult to do.

Mike Mayock had Gabbert as his top quarterback and Colin Kaepernick tied with Ricky Stanzi as his fifth.

It happens.

We didnt draft the kid and I love Eric Fisher as a player and person and if we can get Albert locked up, our line should be awesome for a few years. Should be fun.
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:02 AM   #179
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I wish people would quit thinking that Geno is going to be great like the QB's that we passed over. Just because we pass over him doesn't mean he's going to turn into Rogers, Brees, Flacco, etc. There are other QB's we passed over like Jimmy Clausen too.

There's a reason the kid got scrutinized. He obviously wasn't a first round QB or he would have been drafted in the first.
The kid has had some serious con's on his resume and some of them just make you feel speechless.

If I'm wrong and he's a good QB who goes to a SB, I'll be happy to eat my crow, but I just don't see it happening. I want a first round QB as much as the next Chiefs fan, but I want one that has a good resume and good traits. One we can fully get behind.
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Kudos to the former Geno advocates who are willing to admit that the Chiefs might be better off having passed on the guy.

The die hards who can't come to grips with the situation and fantasize about the possibility that this is just a fabricated smear produced by Geno's enemies are laughable. Come in from the cold, guys.

Oh, and Nolan Nawrocki says hi.
I was really high on Geno and wanted us to take him but now I believe there's just too much smoke for there not to be some kind of fire...the Bills take E.J. Manuel over him.....that is pretty damning IMO.

Conversely I believe Geno could commit murder tomorrow and there would be a gaggle of people on here justifying it....shit is nuts.
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