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Old 05-01-2013, 09:02 PM  
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Why Geno Smith fell in the draft

I've seen a couple other posts about this... but this probably deserves it's own thread considering how many hours we've wasted arguing about the guy. This is the first article I've seen theorizing why Geno fell in the draft. Time will tell whether it's accurate.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--ge...183846651.html

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On April 23, Smith, his agents, some family members and several friends gathered for dinner in New York in advance of the draft, a gathering confirmed by a family member. At one point, everyone around the table stood to give a toast to celebrate the evening.

Smith went last, thanking everyone and declaring that entire group – his agents included – were a "family" that would stay together his entire career, if not the rest of his life, the sources said. Smith, who at one point was expecting to be the No. 1 overall pick and at least a top 10 selection, has big plans for his career. Smith, according to the sources, hopes to emulate players such as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, putting himself cut above the rest of the quarterback fray.

The problem is that NFL types see a guy who, right now, doesn't understand how to get there.

"His biggest problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know," said a league executive, who spent extensive time assessing Smith before the draft.

"I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches … he's talented. He can sling it, he can fit it into tight spots, he can do a lot of things and I think he wants to be good. But you can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down."

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One possible factor in Smith dropping to the second round is a concern about leadership.

"He doesn't have much presence, not much of a leader," said another league executive, who spent a great deal of time studying Smith before the draft. "I don't think he's a bad person, but that's not enough to be a quarterback in this league."

Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.

"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself," one of the sources said. "That's not what you want out of your quarterback."

Both sources indicated that Florida State's E.J. Manuel, who was selected ahead of Smith at No. 16 overall by Buffalo, was far more impressive in terms of his personality and maturity.

"Manuel gets it, he gets the whole big picture of what it takes to lead a team," one of the league executives said.

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By Sunday, Smith was being convinced by other friends that it was the fault of his agents that he slipped so much in the draft, according to one of the sources.

"Right now, he's blaming everybody but himself and he has some buddies around him who are telling him that same thing," the source said.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:38 AM   #271
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Back to the actual point of the OP, these reports look like bullshit, and I'm done listening to reports from anonymous sources bashing people's character. Also, everything I've heard about the agents tells me their petty losers. People fire their agents all the time without them whining to the media and smearing their former client. What desperate ****ing clowns.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:38 AM   #272
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Ooh look, it's an internet tough guy!
I know Marcellus personally. He'd make over half this board shit their pants if he said these things to them face to face. But he'd never lay a hand on them. Real tough guys don't need to prove it. He's just speaking his mind.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:42 AM   #273
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agreed, so lets stop talking about this years QB class until a couple of years go by. We could look back at the dirty Sanchez draft and quite a few people would look like morons.
'those people' being the Chiefs, and their true fan brigade lead by runkc and marcellus...

one team avoided 'risk'

one didn't

guess which one went to two AFC Championship games and which one ended up with no playoff wins and the #1 pick in the draft?

need a hint?
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:42 AM   #274
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You believe this because you hate Alex Smith. I think he will be better than Geno or Manuel, or Barkley, at least in the short term, maybe always.

At the first pick in round two, I feel there was no QB that will be better than Alex Smith.

You want a team with major question marks at QB. The New York Jets.
I don't "hate" Alex Smith. I believe he is not a QB that is capable of "leading" a team to the SB, so I'd rather buy a scratch off ticket that gives me a 10-20% chance of getting that guy.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:47 AM   #275
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I don't "hate" Alex Smith. I believe he is not a QB that is capable of "leading" a team to the SB, so I'd rather buy a scratch off ticket that gives me a 10-20% chance of getting that guy.
I would like to see what those percentages actually are, based on past SB winning QBs and where they were drafted.
We have all seen where the 1st round QB dominates the SB wins category.
But I would imagine that it is less than 5% of 1st round QBs ever win a SB.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:47 AM   #276
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I know Marcellus personally. He'd make over half this board shit their pants if he said these things to them face to face. But he'd never lay a hand on them. Real tough guys don't need to prove it. He's just speaking his mind.
I don't know him personally, but I know he's saying smarter things than his critics are.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:48 AM   #277
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'those people' being the Chiefs, and their true fan brigade lead by runkc and marcellus...

one team avoided 'risk'

one didn't

guess which one went to two AFC Championship games and which one ended up with no playoff wins and the #1 pick in the draft?

need a hint?
Sanchez has more playoff wins than the Chiefs do since winning the Super Bowl.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:49 AM   #278
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I don't know him personally, but I know he's saying smarter things than his critics are.
Austin nailed it in a thread last night. Battered fan syndrome. That's the only explanation to the irrational shit going around here right now. Just be glad you're not going through that shit. Angry fan is no fun at all.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:51 AM   #279
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No. I'm saying given the current QB situation they are dumb for at least not throwing a dart at it. They could have had their pick of every QB except Geno and EJ in the 3rd twice and passed. If EJ or Geno hit than they are dumb for not taking them #1, of if any of the 4th round crop hits than they are dumb for not taking them in the 3rd or 4th. We have MAJOR question marks at the QB position.
Manuel has a MUCH higher probability to be a winner in this league than Geno. Given that we already had Smith, however, I still wouldn't have taken him until the third round. I know this is hard for the Genoites to comprehend, but I think ASmith gives us the best chance out of all the QBs in this draft to get to the playoffs and win.

Within Reid's system, I think ASmith will have more (OK, at least as many) 300 yard games this year alone than he has his entire career combined. I don't think people realize that in the past 10 years, the Eagles haven't thrown for less than 3500 yards in a season under Reid- even when they really, really sucked. I don't think Reid will finally say, "Whoa, now is the time to stop throwing the ball!" More likely he went out and got the one guy this year who, in his mind, could throw the ball that much--whether any Chiefs fan likes it or not.
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**** off dick head. Is that at home enough for you? My issue is you are a bunch of whining ass pussies.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:57 AM   #282
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Sanchez has more playoff wins than the Chiefs do since winning the Super Bowl.
The Jets team won those in spite of his ass not because of him.
How many games has Sanchez won since those playoffs? He sure hasn't lead that team back without that running game and defense.
Sanchez=Tebow at least Tebow didn't and wouldn't have buttfumbled. #5 overall pick getting replaced by...... wait for it..........that is right Geno Smith. OUCH bet that leaves a mark on mark.
Got to hand it to those USC QBs they really are something.
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taking Rodgers at 28 who was talked about as being #1 overall was risky? Keep proving your ignorance.
27 other teams passed on Aaron Rodgers...

Sound familiar?

You are hypocritical in your hate for Geno.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:59 AM   #284
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The Jets team won those in spite of his ass not because of him.
He made plays to win the games. We had much better teams in the 90s yet none of our sorry ass quarterbacks could make a play to win a playoff game. So go shove that up your ass.
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Old 05-02-2013, 10:02 AM   #285
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He made plays to win the games. We had much better teams in the 90s yet none of our sorry ass quarterbacks could make a play to win a playoff game. So go shove that up your ass.
Yeah Tebow made a play or two to win the Donkos a playoff game. One year.
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